XPost: sac.politics, can.politics, alt.atheism   
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   On Sat, 09 May 2015 00:30:10 -0700, Jeanne Douglas    
   wrote:   
   .   
   >On Fri, 08 May 2015 22:03:10 -0400, mur wrote:   
   >   
   >>On Wed, 29 Apr 2015 20:54:29 -0700, Jeanne Douglas    
   >>wrote:   
   >>.   
   >>>In article <15s2ka1tmtb8cfmmnet547ppv4fcam1434@4ax.com>, mur wrote:   
   >>>   
   >>>> On Sat, 18 Apr 2015 04:45:18 -0700, Jeanne Douglas    
   >>>> wrote:   
   >>>   
   >>>   
   >>>   
   >>>> >I have no beliefs.   
   >>>>   
   >>>>     That's a lie of course since everyone has beliefs   
   >>>   
   >>>Yes. But we're discussing beliefs in any god, so other subjects are   
   >>>irrelevant to the subject of the discussion.   
   >>   
   >>    You believe it's possible there's no God associated with Earth.   
   >   
   >Tell me my EXACT WORDS that led you to that conclusion.   
      
       You've led me to believe that countless times but if you do NOT believe   
   it's   
   possible there's no God associated with Earth then say that specifically for   
   everyone to see.   
      
   >>You can't imagine any way that there truly could be.   
   >   
   >There's a lie.   
      
       Then present some way(s) in which you imagine there could be or it will   
   expose you as the liar by revealing that you can't.   
      
   >>That means the only possible belief   
   >>you "can" have is that there is no God associated with Earth.   
   ...   
   >>Why you're ashamed   
   >>of that instead of at least proud enough to admit it and try to defend it is   
   all   
   >>that's in question about it.   
   >>   
   >>>> but if it were true you   
   >>>> would certainly be extremely stupid for demanding verifiable evidence like   
   >>>> you   
   >>>> do,   
   >>>   
   >>>Why is not believing in something without evidence stupid? Be very   
   >>>specific.   
   >>   
   >>    It would be stupid to demand it which is what I said. The reason it   
   would be   
   >>stupid to demand it is because he's OBVIOUSLY NOT GOING TO provide it   
   whether he   
   >>exists or not. Since you're trying to pretend you consider the possibility   
   that   
   >>he does, and he's OBVIOUSLY NOT GOING TO provide it if he does, that's why it   
   >>makes you extremely stupid IF you consider the possibility that he does.   
   >   
   >Why?   
      
       I just pointed out why but apparently you're too stupid to comprehend.   
      
   >>>> when you don't believe there should be any yourself if there's a God   
   >>>> associated with Earth.   
   >>>   
   >>>Care to translate that word salad into English.   
   >>   
   >>    You can't imagine WHY God SHOULD provided verifiable evidence of his   
   >>existence if he exists, or even pretend that you can.   
   >>   
   >>>> By demanding it you've clearly revealed that you DO   
   >>>> believe there should be some,   
   >>>   
   >>>Obviously.   
   >>   
   >>    WHY "should" there?   
   >>   
   >>>It's a serious character flaw to believe in things for which   
   >>>there is no evidence.   
   >>   
   >>    There is evidence but you just don't happen to like it. That's a starting   
   >>line you can't get as "far" as.   
   >   
   >And there's that lie again.   
      
       The fact that you can't get that "far" is just another fact you don't   
   happen   
   to like.   
   ...   
   >>>> but you don't have the slightest clue what you   
   >>>> think it should be, where you think it should be,   
   >>>   
   >>>There's that stupid lie again. I've lost track of how many times I've   
   >>>told you trolls that the evidence must be objective and verifiable. No   
   >>>more information is necessary.   
   >>   
   >>    That's a lie every time you tell it. You need to try to explain what you   
   >>think you think you're trying to talk about before anyone possibly COULD have   
   >>any respect for your childlike demands, and even IF you did that it still   
   might   
   >>very well not be respectable. And in fact we have PROOF of that by your   
   demands   
   >>about regrowing limbs on amputees which has been your ONLY real attempt and   
   it's   
   >>completely unrespectable.   
   >>   
   >>>> why you think God should   
   >>>> provide us with it, or when you think he should or should have provided   
   it.   
   >>>   
   >>>To prove it exists and to prove it's not an asshole.   
   >>   
   >>    If there is a God associated with Earth and will provide a nice afterlife   
   >>for some beings, he's also making it plainly obvious that he doesn't want to   
   do   
   >>so for every human that ever lives. That's another easy basic starting line   
   you   
   >>can't get as "far" as. In fact it's one of the easiest and most obvious.   
   >   
   >Thank you   
      
       You're welcome.   
   ...   
   >>>> >Faith is a character flaw.   
   >>>>   
   >>>>     Having no faith in anything would be much worse, and would cause a   
   person   
   >>>>     to   
   >>>> be unable to function in society or even go outside.   
   >>>   
   >>>Sez who?   
   >>   
   >>    Well, plenty of people understand it. My dad explained it to me when I   
   was   
   >>in about second grade and I remember the example. We were at a full service   
   >>service station getting gas. My dad told the attendant that he wanted him to   
   >>fill it up. His example was the attendant had faith that he didn't need to   
   tell   
   >>my dad: "You'll have to pay for that". There are many MANY more examples too,   
   >>even if you can't comprehend a single one of them   
   >   
   >What the FUCK does that have to do with whether [Having no faith in anything   
   >would be much worse, and would cause a person to be unable to function in   
   >society or even go outside]   
      
       You have to have some degree of faith about some things related to other   
   people and how they will behave, and also about the environment "outside". If   
   you honestly can't think of any examples then say so specifically and I'll   
   point   
   some out for you.   
   ...   
   >>>> >>Best of luck to you if you're ever able to make   
   >>>> >>the attempt.   
   >>>> >   
   >>>> >Best of luck to you to learn how to write coherently instead of in   
   >>>> >gibberish.   
   >>>>   
   >>>>     What do you think you could gain by repeatedly telling us that every   
   bit   
   >>>>     of   
   >>>> this topic is beyond your ability to comprehend at all, much less   
   consider in   
   >>>> detail? Even by that particular last trick of yours all you do is keep   
   saying   
   >>>> you can't comprehend what someone is telling you over and over again,   
   when no   
   >>>> one else but you is too stupid to be able to figure it out. You CAN'T be   
   as   
   >>>> stupid as you keep pretending to be, even as stupid as you must be to keep   
   >>>> acting the way you do. Though we can't know for sure just how stupid you   
   >>>> really   
   >>>> are, one thing we do know for sure is that you're not able to consider the   
   >>>> possibility of God's existence in any realistic way(s). That topic is   
   >>>> completely   
   >>>> beyond your extremely limited mental ability.   
   >>>   
   >>>And there's that projection again.   
   >>   
   >>    You again can't even pretend to have a respectable point with your stupid   
   >>shit.   
   >>   
   >>>No, dude, sanity is not stupidity.   
      
       What particular "sanity" would you like people to think you think you're   
   trying to refer to, can you say?   
      
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