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   On Sat, 23 May 2015 08:18:46 -0500, Mitchell Holman  wrote:   
      
   >mur wrote in news:pskula1ortkfch29ilaoq67r0tgdl4ct98@4ax.com:   
   >   
   >> On Sat, 09 May 2015 08:32:17 -0500, Mitchell Holman    
   >> wrote: .   
   >>>mur wrote in news:4oqqka1r335te65ih353qu2h6ssiorod5a@4ax.com:   
   >>>   
   >>>> On Thu, 30 Apr 2015 07:18:05 -0400, "Tim"  wrote:   
   >>>> .   
   >>>>>"mur" wrote in message   
   >>>>>news:5is2kapvhqdpvus3kv339k62dg990u6pdi@4ax.com...   
   >>>>>> On Sat, 18 Apr 2015 04:29:36 -0700, Jeanne Douglas   
   >>>>>>    
   >>>>>> wrote:   
   >>>>>> .   
   >>>>>>>In article <6as2jaldhjjmcjhpak2ek78djle21f75kp@4ax.com>, mur   
   >>>>>>>wrote:   
   >>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>   
   >>>>>>    Here's one:   
   >>>>>>>> >>As yet not a single one of them has been able to make a   
   >>>>>>>> >>respectable reply   
   >>>>>>>> >>to   
   >>>>>>>> >>what should be an easy challenge for them IF they had any idea   
   >>>>>>>> >>what they   
   >>>>>>>> >>think   
   >>>>>>>> >>they're trying to talk about   
   >>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>> out above. There is evidence or there would be nothing for   
   >>>>>>>> anyone to believe   
   >>>>>>>> in.   
   >>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>Are you really truly this stupid?   
   >>>>>>   
   >>>>>>    Are you?   
   >>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>> There is no proof and if you weren't horribly closed minded you   
   >>>>>>>> would consider   
   >>>>>>>> why there is evidence,   
   >>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>What evidence?   
   >>>>>>   
   >>>>>>    Life itself is evidence.   
   >>>>>   
   >>>>>Of life and nothing else.   
   >>>>   
   >>>>     Only when that's what your mind is restricted to. When it's not   
   >>>>     people don't   
   >>>> put faith in that being the only possibility.   
   >>>   
   >>>   
   >>>      If you had proof you would not need   
   >>>faith. But you don't, so you do.   
   >>>   
   >   
   >   
   >       Just so.   
      
       Faith is confidence in a belief being correct, regardless of how the belief   
   is come by or what it's in regards to.   
      
   >>>>>>All accepted miracles are evidence.   
   >>>>>   
   >>>>>that some people are gullible and nothing else.   
   >>>>   
   >>>>     That's another guess you made that I have no reason to put any   
   >>>>     faith in.   
   >>>>   
   >>>>>>All miracles   
   >>>>>> recorded in the Bible are evidence.   
   >>>>>   
   >>>>>that some people know that other people are gullible and the former   
   >>>>>will eagerly take advantage of that fact.   
   >>>>   
   >>>>     What do you think the original authors of the Bible had to gain   
   >>>>     from what   
   >>>> they wrote down?   
   >>>   
   >>>   
   >>>    All Bronze age societies had a priest class   
   >>>which perpetuated itself thru writings and demand   
   >>>for alms and patronage.   
   >>   
   >>     So if they could keep from getting killed over it they could be   
   >>     sneaky and   
   >> get rich from it. How do you imagine it all came about to begin with?   
   >> Do you think maybe they had a club and decided to make up a bunch of   
   >> bullshit and then go out and try to get enough people to believe it,   
   >> without getting themselves killed in the process, that they would   
   >> eventually become rich?   
   >   
   >   
   >       Yep. Gulliple people are always willing to   
   >believe in the powers of shamans and fortune tellers   
   >and miracle healers and, of course, priests.   
      
       Back when it got started people could have found out by asking around   
   whether or not the things written about Jesus ever took place. If they got in   
   touch with people in towns where things were supposed to have happened, and   
   those people said they never heard anything about it, then they'd have no   
   reason   
   to believe. Quite the opposite.   
      
   --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05   
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