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   On Fri, 22 May 2015 19:38:39 +0000 (UTC), Smil wrote:   
   .   
   >On Fri, 22 May 2015 12:04:11 -0400, mur wrote:   
   >   
   >> On Sat, 9 May 2015 22:04:16 +0000 (UTC), Smil wrote:   
   >> .   
   >>>On Fri, 08 May 2015 22:02:41 -0400, mur wrote:   
   >>>   
   >>>> On Wed, 29 Apr 2015 21:26:47 -0700, Jeanne Douglas   
   >>>>    
   >>>> wrote:   
   >>>> .   
   >>>>>On Wed, 29 Apr 2015 20:07:11 -0400, mur wrote:   
   >>>>>   
   >>>>>>On Fri, 17 Apr 2015 19:16:40 -0400, James Redford   
   >>>>>>   
   >>>>>>wrote:   
   >>>>>>. . .   
   >>>>>>>Thus, immortality is logically inseparable from the existence of the   
   >>>>>>>capital-G God, since mathematically, immortality requires the   
   >>>>>>>existence of either an infinite computational state or a finite   
   >>>>>>>state which diverges to an infinite computational state (i.e.,   
   >>>>>>>diverging to literal Godhead in all its fullness), thus allowing for   
   >>>>>>>states to never repeat and hence an infinite number of experiences.   
   >>>>>>   
   >>>>>>    Something would have to preserve the sense of self of the   
   >>>>>>    individual, and   
   >>>>>>somehow retain the sense of identity. From my position it seems God   
   >>>>>>would have to do that for himself and any other beings he chose to do   
   >>>>>>it for.   
   >>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>Consequently, transhumanism--if the goal by that position is   
   >>>>>>>immortality--is inherently theistic, not only in a lowercase-G god   
   >>>>>>>sense, but also in the capital-G God sense.   
   >>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>Interestingly, this also means that the existence of biological   
   >>>>>>>evolution, far from demonstrating that God is unnecessary, is in   
   >>>>>>>fact a logical proof of God's existence *unless* one posits the   
   >>>>>>>additional postulate that there is a limit to evolution. Yet there   
   >>>>>>>is no logical limit to evolution other than infinite complexity; and   
   >>>>>>>there exists no empirical evidence that evolution is   
   >>>>>>>finitely-bounded. Thus, to believe that evolution has a finite   
   >>>>>>>cut-off would be to hold a belief without evidence, and thus it   
   >>>>>>>would be an irrational belief.   
   >>>>>>   
   >>>>>>    The fact that there are no beings in apparent transition from   
   >>>>>>    reptiles to   
   >>>>>>birds today, and very few fossil examples, is evidence that God   
   >>>>>>influenced evolution. The same is true for the lack of transition   
   >>>>>>species of all other types.   
   >>>>>   
   >>>>>How do you know that?   
   >>>>   
   >>>>     It is in itself.   
   >>>   
   >>>Is that meant to mean something?   
   >>   
   >>     Only to people who don't have faith that it doesn't mean anything.   
   >>     To them it raises questions about what it does mean.   
   >   
   >Thanks   
      
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