XPost: alt.atheism, talk.atheism   
   From: smiler@jo.king   
      
   On Fri, 29 May 2015 20:45:32 -0400, mur wrote:   
      
   > On Fri, 22 May 2015 19:38:39 +0000 (UTC), Smil wrote:   
   > .   
   >>On Fri, 22 May 2015 12:04:11 -0400, mur wrote:   
   >>   
   >>> On Sat, 9 May 2015 22:04:16 +0000 (UTC), Smil wrote:   
   >>> .   
   >>>>On Fri, 08 May 2015 22:02:41 -0400, mur wrote:   
   >>>>   
   >>>>> On Wed, 29 Apr 2015 21:26:47 -0700, Jeanne Douglas   
   >>>>>    
   >>>>> wrote:   
   >>>>> .   
   >>>>>>On Wed, 29 Apr 2015 20:07:11 -0400, mur wrote:   
   >>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>On Fri, 17 Apr 2015 19:16:40 -0400, James Redford   
   >>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>wrote:   
   >>>>>>>. . .   
   >>>>>>>>Thus, immortality is logically inseparable from the existence of   
   >>>>>>>>the capital-G God, since mathematically, immortality requires the   
   >>>>>>>>existence of either an infinite computational state or a finite   
   >>>>>>>>state which diverges to an infinite computational state (i.e.,   
   >>>>>>>>diverging to literal Godhead in all its fullness), thus allowing   
   >>>>>>>>for states to never repeat and hence an infinite number of   
   >>>>>>>>experiences.   
   >>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>    Something would have to preserve the sense of self of the   
   >>>>>>>    individual, and   
   >>>>>>>somehow retain the sense of identity. From my position it seems God   
   >>>>>>>would have to do that for himself and any other beings he chose to   
   >>>>>>>do it for.   
   >>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>Consequently, transhumanism--if the goal by that position is   
   >>>>>>>>immortality--is inherently theistic, not only in a lowercase-G god   
   >>>>>>>>sense, but also in the capital-G God sense.   
   >>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>Interestingly, this also means that the existence of biological   
   >>>>>>>>evolution, far from demonstrating that God is unnecessary, is in   
   >>>>>>>>fact a logical proof of God's existence *unless* one posits the   
   >>>>>>>>additional postulate that there is a limit to evolution. Yet there   
   >>>>>>>>is no logical limit to evolution other than infinite complexity;   
   >>>>>>>>and there exists no empirical evidence that evolution is   
   >>>>>>>>finitely-bounded. Thus, to believe that evolution has a finite   
   >>>>>>>>cut-off would be to hold a belief without evidence, and thus it   
   >>>>>>>>would be an irrational belief.   
   >>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>    The fact that there are no beings in apparent transition from   
   >>>>>>>    reptiles to   
   >>>>>>>birds today, and very few fossil examples, is evidence that God   
   >>>>>>>influenced evolution. The same is true for the lack of transition   
   >>>>>>>species of all other types.   
   >>>>>>   
   >>>>>>How do you know that?   
   >>>>>   
   >>>>>     It is in itself.   
   >>>>   
   >>>>Is that meant to mean something?   
   >>>   
   >>>     Only to people who don't have faith that it doesn't mean anything.   
   >>>     To them it raises questions about what it does mean.   
   >>   
   >>Thanks for admitting that you post nonsense.   
   >   
   > I usually don't mind pointing out the obvious for you people, even when   
   > there's between very little and no chance that you'll ever be able to   
   > comprehend much less appreciate it.   
      
   Q.E.D.   
      
   --   
   Smiler, The godless one.   
   aa #2279   
   Gods are all tailored to order. They are made   
   to exactly fit the prejudices of the believer.   
      
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