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   From: Dean"@gmail.com   
      
   On 5/23/2015 9:56 AM, Mitchell Holman wrote:   
   > mur wrote in news:oqkulahndeb52016sog6b8dffeg37ae7jh@4ax.com:   
   >   
   >> On Fri, 08 May 2015 22:03:14 -0600, David Johnston    
   >> wrote: .   
   >>> On 5/8/2015 8:03 PM, mur wrote:   
   >>>> On Wed, 29 Apr 2015 21:11:05 -0700, Jeanne Douglas   
   >>>>  wrote:   
   >>>> .   
   >>>>> In article , mur wrote:   
   >>>>>   
   >>>>>> On Mon, 20 Apr 2015 15:45:06 -0500, duke    
   >>>>>> wrote: .   
   >>>>>>> On Sat, 18 Apr 2015 17:58:32 -0600, David Johnston   
   >>>>>>>  wrote:   
   >>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>> On 4/18/2015 7:24 AM, duke wrote:   
   >>>>>>>>> On Fri, 10 Apr 2015 19:07:02 -0600, David Johnston   
   >>>>>>>>>  wrote:   
   >>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>> On 4/10/2015 2:14 PM, duke wrote:   
   >>>>>>>>>>> On Thu, 09 Apr 2015 14:32:02 -0600, David Johnston   
   >>>>>>>>>>>  wrote:   
   >>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>> On 4/9/2015 5:28 AM, duke wrote:   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>> Too much hair splitting.  Evidence exists for the presence   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>> of God - it can't be   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>> denied.  One may not like it, but none the less, it stares   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>> them in the face,   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>> hence:   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>> An atheist denies   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>> I see that you regard consistency as too much trouble to   
   >>>>>>>>>>>> bother with.   
   >>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>> You see wrong.  I'm highly consistent.   
   >>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>> Either it can't be denied, or atheists deny it.  Pick one.   
   >>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>> The item that nails the supposed atheist is that he rejects   
   >>>>>>>>> evidence we see.   
   >>>>>>>> Yeah.  I've seen a bible too.  But Harry Potter was a more fun   
   >>>>>>>> read.   
   >>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>> But not any truth at all.  Unless you think you can ride a broom   
   >>>>>>> stick.   
   >>>>>>   
   >>>>>>       These people can't distinguish between things we know are   
   >>>>>>       fiction and things   
   >>>>>> no one could know are fiction.   
   >>>>>   
   >>>>> Let's have examples of "things no one could know are fiction". 3-5   
   >>>>> examples would be a good start.   
   >>>>   
   >>>>       Any of the miracles Jesus was said to have performed, including   
   >>>>       rising from   
   >>>> the dead, etc.   
   >>>   
   >>> What evidence do we see of that?   
   >>   
   >>      Other than what we have, what else do you like to think there   
   >>      should be, or   
   >> even could be?   
   >   
   >   
   >       Evasion noted.   
   >   
   >       If you believe there is verifiable evidence   
   > for this deity then post it.   
   >   
   There is no empirical or verifiable evidence of the existence of a   
   deity, however there _is_ the _appearance_ of design in nature and   
   the universe. If accepted as real, not just the "appearance of design",   
   but actual design, then an intelligent designer would be inferred.   
      
   When scientist such as the late, Francis Crick and Richard Dawkins   
   observe design, but assert that it's only an "appearance of design":   
   this is an apriori consideration that takes precedence. Otherwise, they   
   would take the observation at face value and attempt to explain the   
   design, rather explain the observation away by introducing the   
   assumption that it's just the appearance of design.   
      
      
      
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