XPost: alt.atheism, talk.atheism
On Sun, 31 May 2015 20:49:29 +0000 (UTC), Smil wrote:
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>On Sat, 30 May 2015 16:06:03 -0500, Christopher A. Lee wrote:
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>> On Sat, 30 May 2015 20:59:47 +0000 (UTC), Smil
>> wrote:
>>
>>>On Fri, 29 May 2015 20:45:32 -0400, mur wrote:
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>>>> On Fri, 22 May 2015 19:38:39 +0000 (UTC), Smil wrote:
>>>> .
>>>>>On Fri, 22 May 2015 12:04:11 -0400, mur wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On Sat, 9 May 2015 22:04:16 +0000 (UTC), Smil wrote:
>>>>>> .
>>>>>>>On Fri, 08 May 2015 22:02:41 -0400, mur wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Wed, 29 Apr 2015 21:26:47 -0700, Jeanne Douglas
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>> .
>>>>>>>>>On Wed, 29 Apr 2015 20:07:11 -0400, mur wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>On Fri, 17 Apr 2015 19:16:40 -0400, James Redford
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>. . .
>>>>>>>>>>>Thus, immortality is logically inseparable from the existence of
>>>>>>>>>>>the capital-G God, since mathematically, immortality requires
>>>>>>>>>>>the existence of either an infinite computational state or a
>>>>>>>>>>>finite state which diverges to an infinite computational state
>>>>>>>>>>>(i.e., diverging to literal Godhead in all its fullness), thus
>>>>>>>>>>>allowing for states to never repeat and hence an infinite number
>>>>>>>>>>>of experiences.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Something would have to preserve the sense of self of the
>>>>>>>>>> individual, and
>>>>>>>>>>somehow retain the sense of identity. From my position it seems
>>>>>>>>>>God would have to do that for himself and any other beings he
>>>>>>>>>>chose to do it for.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>Consequently, transhumanism--if the goal by that position is
>>>>>>>>>>>immortality--is inherently theistic, not only in a lowercase-G
>>>>>>>>>>>god sense, but also in the capital-G God sense.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>Interestingly, this also means that the existence of biological
>>>>>>>>>>>evolution, far from demonstrating that God is unnecessary, is in
>>>>>>>>>>>fact a logical proof of God's existence *unless* one posits the
>>>>>>>>>>>additional postulate that there is a limit to evolution. Yet
>>>>>>>>>>>there is no logical limit to evolution other than infinite
>>>>>>>>>>>complexity; and there exists no empirical evidence that
>>>>>>>>>>>evolution is finitely-bounded. Thus, to believe that evolution
>>>>>>>>>>>has a finite cut-off would be to hold a belief without evidence,
>>>>>>>>>>>and thus it would be an irrational belief.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> The fact that there are no beings in apparent transition from
>>>>>>>>>> reptiles to
>>>>>>>>>>birds today, and very few fossil examples, is evidence that God
>>>>>>>>>>influenced evolution. The same is true for the lack of transition
>>>>>>>>>>species of all other types.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>How do you know that?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> It is in itself.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Is that meant to mean something?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Only to people who don't have faith that it doesn't mean
>>>>>> anything.
>>>>>> To them it raises questions about what it does mean.
>>>>>
>>>>>Thanks for admitting that you post nonsense.
>>>>
>>>> I usually don't mind pointing out the obvious for you people, even
>>>> when there's between very little and no chance that you'll ever be
>>>> able to comprehend much less appreciate it.
>>>
>>>Q.E.D.
>>
>> Everybody is out of step except him.
>
>Oft heard in a mental asylum:
>"I'm sane, it's the rest of the world that's mad."
"Our aggregated data from 2012 show that 2.4% of American adults say they are
atheists when asked about their religious identity, up from 1.6% in 2007."
http://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2013/10/23/5-facts-about-atheists/
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