XPost: sac.politics, can.politics, alt.atheism   
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   From: David@block.net   
      
   On 6/6/2015 2:58 PM, R. Dean wrote:   
   > On 6/6/2015 3:11 AM, David Johnston wrote:   
   >> On 6/5/2015 11:41 AM, R. Dean wrote:   
   >>> On 6/5/2015 11:51 AM, David Johnston wrote:   
   >>>> On 6/4/2015 11:28 PM, R. Dean wrote:   
   >>>>> On 6/5/2015 12:46 AM, David Johnston wrote:   
   >>>>>> On 6/4/2015 10:37 PM, R. Dean wrote:   
   >>>>>>> On 5/23/2015 9:56 AM, Mitchell Holman wrote:   
   >>>>>>>> mur wrote in news:oqkulahndeb52016sog6b8dffeg37ae7jh@4ax.com:   
   >>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>> On Fri, 08 May 2015 22:03:14 -0600, David Johnston   
   >>>>>>>>>    
   >>>>>>>>> wrote: .   
   >>>>>>>>>> On 5/8/2015 8:03 PM, mur wrote:   
   >>>>>>>>>>> On Wed, 29 Apr 2015 21:11:05 -0700, Jeanne Douglas   
   >>>>>>>>>>>  wrote:   
   >>>>>>>>>>> .   
   >>>>>>>>>>>> In article , mur   
   >>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, 20 Apr 2015 15:45:06 -0500, duke    
   >>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote: .   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Sat, 18 Apr 2015 17:58:32 -0600, David Johnston   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>  wrote:   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 4/18/2015 7:24 AM, duke wrote:   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Fri, 10 Apr 2015 19:07:02 -0600, David Johnston   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>  wrote:   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 4/10/2015 2:14 PM, duke wrote:   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Thu, 09 Apr 2015 14:32:02 -0600, David Johnston   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>  wrote:   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 4/9/2015 5:28 AM, duke wrote:   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Too much hair splitting.  Evidence exists for the   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> presence   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> of God - it can't be   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> denied.  One may not like it, but none the less, it   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> stares   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> them in the face,   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> hence:   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> An atheist denies   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I see that you regard consistency as too much trouble to   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> bother with.   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> You see wrong.  I'm highly consistent.   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Either it can't be denied, or atheists deny it.  Pick one.   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The item that nails the supposed atheist is that he rejects   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> evidence we see.   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Yeah.  I've seen a bible too.  But Harry Potter was a more   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> fun   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> read.   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>> But not any truth at all.  Unless you think you can ride a   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>> broom   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>> stick.   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>       These people can't distinguish between things we know   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>> are   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>       fiction and things   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>> no one could know are fiction.   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>> Let's have examples of "things no one could know are fiction".   
   >>>>>>>>>>>> 3-5   
   >>>>>>>>>>>> examples would be a good start.   
   >>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>       Any of the miracles Jesus was said to have performed,   
   >>>>>>>>>>> including   
   >>>>>>>>>>>       rising from   
   >>>>>>>>>>> the dead, etc.   
   >>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>> What evidence do we see of that?   
   >>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>      Other than what we have, what else do you like to think there   
   >>>>>>>>>      should be, or   
   >>>>>>>>> even could be?   
   >>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>       Evasion noted.   
   >>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>       If you believe there is verifiable evidence   
   >>>>>>>> for this deity then post it.   
   >>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>> There is no empirical or verifiable evidence of the existence of a   
   >>>>>>> deity, however there _is_ the _appearance_ of design in nature and   
   >>>>>>> the universe.   
   >>>>>>   
   >>>>>> Really, really, sloppy design...   
   >>>>>>   
   >>>>> Explain why you think so.   
   >>>>>>   
   >>>>>   
   >>>>   
   >>>> What you want me to point you to the list of design flaws in the human   
   >>>> body or mention the orbit of Pluto?   
   >>>  >   
   >>> The choice is yours!   
   >>   
   >> http://io9.com/the-most-unfortunate-design-flaws-in-the-human   
   body-1518242787   
   >>   
   >>   
   > I had read this and other claimed imperfections of the human body   
   > before. No one has shown that the human body has to be perfect.   
      
   Clearly it doesn't have to be perfect since it isn't perfect.  Thus the   
   "sloppy haphazard designer" theory has an argument for it.   
      
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