XPost: alt.atheism, talk.atheism   
   From: smiler@jo.king   
      
   On Sat, 13 Jun 2015 14:04:32 -0400, mur wrote:   
      
   > On Fri, 5 Jun 2015 22:07:08 +0000 (UTC), Smil again had no clue:   
   > .   
   >>On Fri, 05 Jun 2015 16:23:43 -0400, mur wrote:   
   >>   
   >>> On Sun, 31 May 2015 20:49:29 +0000 (UTC), Smil wrote:   
   >>> .   
   >>>>On Sat, 30 May 2015 16:06:03 -0500, Christopher A. Lee wrote:   
   >>>>   
   >>>>> On Sat, 30 May 2015 20:59:47 +0000 (UTC), Smil wrote:   
   >>>>>   
   >>>>>>On Fri, 29 May 2015 20:45:32 -0400, mur wrote:   
   >>>>>>   
   >>>>>>> On Fri, 22 May 2015 19:38:39 +0000 (UTC), Smil wrote:   
   >>>>>>> .   
   >>>>>>>>On Fri, 22 May 2015 12:04:11 -0400, mur wrote:   
   >>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>> On Sat, 9 May 2015 22:04:16 +0000 (UTC), Smil wrote:   
   >>>>>>>>> .   
   >>>>>>>>>>On Fri, 08 May 2015 22:02:41 -0400, mur wrote:   
   >>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>> On Wed, 29 Apr 2015 21:26:47 -0700, Jeanne Douglas   
   >>>>>>>>>>>    
   >>>>>>>>>>> wrote:   
   >>>>>>>>>>> .   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>On Wed, 29 Apr 2015 20:07:11 -0400, mur wrote:   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>On Fri, 17 Apr 2015 19:16:40 -0400, James Redford   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>wrote:   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>. . .   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>Thus, immortality is logically inseparable from the   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>existence of the capital-G God, since mathematically,   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>immortality requires the existence of either an infinite   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>computational state or a finite state which diverges to an   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>infinite computational state (i.e., diverging to literal   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>Godhead in all its fullness), thus allowing for states to   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>never repeat and hence an infinite number of experiences.   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>    Something would have to preserve the sense of self of the   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>    individual, and   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>somehow retain the sense of identity. From my position it   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>seems God would have to do that for himself and any other   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>beings he chose to do it for.   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>Consequently, transhumanism--if the goal by that position is   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>immortality--is inherently theistic, not only in a   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>lowercase-G god sense, but also in the capital-G God sense.   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>Interestingly, this also means that the existence of   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>biological evolution, far from demonstrating that God is   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>unnecessary, is in fact a logical proof of God's existence   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>*unless* one posits the additional postulate that there is a   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>limit to evolution. Yet there is no logical limit to   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>evolution other than infinite complexity; and there exists   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>no empirical evidence that evolution is finitely-bounded.   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>Thus, to believe that evolution has a finite cut-off would   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>be to hold a belief without evidence,   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>and thus it would be an irrational belief.   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>    The fact that there are no beings in apparent transition   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>    from reptiles to   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>birds today, and very few fossil examples, is evidence that   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>God influenced evolution. The same is true for the lack of   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>transition species of all other types.   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>How do you know that?   
   >>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>     It is in itself.   
   >>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>Is that meant to mean something?   
   >>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>     Only to people who don't have faith that it doesn't mean   
   >>>>>>>>>     anything.   
   >>>>>>>>>     To them it raises questions about what it does mean.   
   >>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>Thanks for admitting that you post nonsense.   
   >>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>> I usually don't mind pointing out the obvious for you people, even   
   >>>>>>> when there's between very little and no chance that you'll ever be   
   >>>>>>> able to comprehend much less appreciate it.   
   >>>>>>   
   >>>>>>Q.E.D.   
   >>>>>   
   >>>>> Everybody is out of step except him.   
   >>>>   
   >>>>Oft heard in a mental asylum:   
   >>>>"I'm sane, it's the rest of the world that's mad."   
   >>>   
   >>> "Our aggregated data from 2012 show that 2.4% of American adults say   
   >>> they are atheists when asked about their religious identity, up from   
   >>> 1.6% in 2007."   
   >>>   
   >>> http://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2013/10/23/5-facts-about-atheists/   
   >>   
   >>Why would that be of concern to me, moron?   
   >   
   >     LOL!!! It's hilarious that you can't even see that relationship.   
      
    LOL!!! It's hilarious that you can't even see that American polls are of   
   no concern to me.   
      
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   Smiler, The godless one.   
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   to exactly fit the prejudices of the believer.   
      
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