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   From: David@block.net   
      
   On 6/14/2015 2:49 PM, Marcus wrote:   
   > In article    
   > niunian  wrote:   
   >>   
   >> On Sun, 14 Jun 2015 07:38:31 -0700, Jeanne Douglas wrote:   
   >>   
   >>> In article , niunian    
   >>> wrote:   
   >>>   
   >>>> On Sat, 13 Jun 2015 21:26:31 -0700, Jeanne Douglas wrote:   
   >>>>   
   >>>>> In article , niunian    
   >>>>> wrote:   
   >>>>>   
   >>>>>> On Sat, 13 Jun 2015 20:44:36 -0400, M.I.Wakefield wrote:   
   >>>>>>   
   >>>>>>> "niunian"  wrote in message news:mligf8$m9j$4@dont-email.me...   
   >>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>> On Sat, 13 Jun 2015 16:16:35 -0400, M.I.Wakefield wrote:   
   >>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>> Not at all; I'm trying to lead you to enlightenment by forcing   
   >>>>>>>>> you to recognize your delusions.   
   >>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>> In other word, a noble sacrifice based on personal ignorance, no   
   >>>>>>>> doubt.   
   >>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>> No sacrifice at all.  But you can't help those who won't let go of   
   >>>>>>> their delusions.   
   >>>>>>   
   >>>>>> Which is exactly the problem you and other atheists are having. You   
   >>>>>> are deluded by the physical science and the physical world that   
   >>>>>> science pretends to study.   
   >>>>>   
   >>>>>   
   >>>>> How can we be "deluded" by facts?   
   >>>>   
   >>>> Because you have blind faith in the ability of science.   
   >>>   
   >>> No, I don't. What an incredibly stupid thing to say.   
   >>   
   >> Very well. I'm glad to hear that. I guess now you are ready to accept the   
   >> fact that physical science can not explain life and intelligence which   
   >> happen to be spiritual in nature. Right?   
   >>   
   >> In traditional science, there was a term used to describe intelligence.   
   >> It's called the ghost. And there were scientists who were committed to be   
   >> the ghost chasers. Nowadays, that term is conveniently forgotten so that   
   >> science can take on the project called the artificial intelligence when   
   >> it should have been called the artificial ghost according to the   
   >> tradition. Can you see the irony all you artificial ghost chasers and   
   >> researchers out there?   
   >>   
   >> :-)   
   >   
   > You have to consider that well over 50% of modern liberals are   
   > functionally illiterate and below average intelligence of their   
   > own choice.   
      
   Does he?  The term was not "conveniently forgotten".  It was never used   
   in that way.  There was never a point at which "traditional" science   
   called intelligence "the ghost".  The philosopher Gilbert Ryle coined   
   the expression "ghost in the machine" to mock Descartes concept of   
   mind-body dualism. It was a turn of phrase that cyberpunk science   
   fiction authors found inspirational.  But actual scientists?  No.   
      
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