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   From: niunian@ymail.com   
      
   On Sun, 14 Jun 2015 16:40:11 -0700, Jeanne Douglas wrote:   
      
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   >> On Sun, 14 Jun 2015 07:39:26 -0700, Jeanne Douglas wrote:   
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   >> >> On Sat, 13 Jun 2015 21:25:39 -0700, Jeanne Douglas wrote:   
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   >> >> > In article , niunian   
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   >> >> >> On Sat, 13 Jun 2015 18:31:41 -0700, Jeanne Douglas wrote:   
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   >> >> >> > In article , niunian   
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   >> >> >> >> On Sat, 13 Jun 2015 14:03:52 -0400, mur wrote:   
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   >> >> >> >> > On Sat, 06 Jun 2015 01:16:50 -0600, David Johnston   
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   >> >> >> >> >>On Fri, 05 Jun 2015 16:22:27 -0400, mur wrote:   
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   >> >> >> >> >>>On Fri, 29 May 2015 21:22:46 -0500, Mitchell Holman   
   >> >> >> >> >>> wrote:   
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   >> >> >> >> >>>>On Fri, 29 May 2015 20:46:01 -0400, mur wrote:   
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   >> >> >> >> >>>>>On Fri, 08 May 2015 22:03:14 -0600, David Johnston   
   >> >> >> >> >>>>> wrote:   
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   >> >> >> >> >>>>>>On Fri, 22 May 2015 12:03:38 -0400, mur wrote:   
   >> >> >> >> >>>>>>   
   >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>On Fri, 08 May 2015 22:03:14 -0600, David Johnston   
   >> >> >> >> >>>>>>> wrote:   
   >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>.   
   >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>On 5/8/2015 8:03 PM, mur wrote:   
   >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>> On Wed, 29 Apr 2015 21:11:05 -0700, Jeanne Douglas   
   >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>    
   >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>> wrote:   
   >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>> .   
   >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> In article   
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   >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> mur wrote:   
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   >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, 20 Apr 2015 15:45:06 -0500, duke   
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   >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>> wrote:   
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   >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>> On Sat, 18 Apr 2015 17:58:32 -0600, David   
   >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>> Johnston  wrote:   
   >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>   
   >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>> On 4/18/2015 7:24 AM, duke wrote:   
   >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Fri, 10 Apr 2015 19:07:02 -0600, David   
   >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Johnston  wrote:   
   >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>   
   >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 4/10/2015 2:14 PM, duke wrote:   
   >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Thu, 09 Apr 2015 14:32:02 -0600, David   
   >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Johnston    
   >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:   
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   >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 4/9/2015 5:28 AM, duke wrote:   
   >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>   
   >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Too much hair splitting.  Evidence exists   
   >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> for the presence of God -   
   >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> it can't be denied.  One may not like it,   
   >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> but none the less, it stares them in the   
   >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> face, hence:   
   >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>   
   >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> An atheist denies   
   >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>   
   >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I see that you regard consistency as too   
   >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> much trouble to bother with.   
   >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>   
   >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> You see wrong.  I'm highly consistent.   
   >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>   
   >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Either it can't be denied, or atheists deny   
   >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> it.   
   >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Pick one.   
   >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>   
   >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> The item that nails the supposed atheist is   
   >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> that he rejects evidence we see.   
   >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Yeah.  I've seen a bible too.  But Harry Potter   
   >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>> was a more fun read.   
   >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>   
   >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>> But not any truth at all.  Unless you think you   
   >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>> can ride a broom stick.   
   >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>   
   >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>      These people can't distinguish between things   
   >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>      we know are fiction and things   
   >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>> no one could know are fiction.   
   >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>   
   >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> Let's have examples of "things no one could know   
   >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> are fiction".   
   >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> 3-5 examples would be a good start.   
   >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>   
   >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>      Any of the miracles Jesus was said to have   
   >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>      performed,   
   >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>      including rising from   
   >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>> the dead, etc.   
   >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>   
   >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>What evidence do we see of that?   
   >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>   
   >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>    Other than what we have, what else do you like to   
   >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>    think there should be, or   
   >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>even could be? So far no one has been able to make any   
   >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>respectable attempt to answer that question, meaning   
   >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>that those who demand it not only have no reason to   
   >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>believe any should be available, but they can't even   
   >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>imagine what it could possibly be, or where, or why it   
   >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>should be available. Jeanne Douglas is a great example   
   >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>in a bunch of clueless individuals. She's convinced   
   >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>that if God exists there should be some sort of   
   >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>verifiable evidence of it. She has no idea what it   
   >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>should be, where it should be, why it should be   
   >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>available, or when she thinks God should or should have   
   >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>made it available, but still she thinks it should be   
   >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>available if God exists. She did make one extremely   
   >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>naive and completely unrespectable claim that God   
   >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>should re-grow limbs on amputees immediately whenever   
   >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>they ask him to if he exists, but that's the "best" she   
   >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>could come up with. It's also the "best" these people   
   >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>as a group could come up with, and their "best" can't   
   >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>be considered a respectable explanation at all. None of   
   >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>them have the slightest clue what they think they're   
   >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>trying to talk about when they demand evidence.   
   >> >> >> >> >>>>>>   
   >> >> >> >> >>>>>>What evidence do we see of that?   
   >> >> >> >> >>>>>   
   >> >> >> >> >>>>>    When I challenge them to explain what evidence they   
      
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