XPost: sac.politics, can.politics, alt.atheism   
   XPost: alt.politics.homosexu, ality   
   From: niunian@ymail.com   
      
   On Sun, 14 Jun 2015 19:39:28 -0600, David Johnston wrote:   
      
   > On 6/14/2015 2:49 PM, Marcus wrote:   
   >> In article    
   >> niunian  wrote:   
   >>>   
   >>> On Sun, 14 Jun 2015 07:38:31 -0700, Jeanne Douglas wrote:   
   >>>   
   >>>> In article , niunian    
   >>>> wrote:   
   >>>>   
   >>>>> On Sat, 13 Jun 2015 21:26:31 -0700, Jeanne Douglas wrote:   
   >>>>>   
   >>>>>> In article , niunian   
   >>>>>>    
   >>>>>> wrote:   
   >>>>>>   
   >>>>>>> On Sat, 13 Jun 2015 20:44:36 -0400, M.I.Wakefield wrote:   
   >>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>> "niunian"  wrote in message news:mligf8$m9j$4@dont-email.me...   
   >>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>> On Sat, 13 Jun 2015 16:16:35 -0400, M.I.Wakefield wrote:   
   >>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>> Not at all; I'm trying to lead you to enlightenment by forcing   
   >>>>>>>>>> you to recognize your delusions.   
   >>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>> In other word, a noble sacrifice based on personal ignorance, no   
   >>>>>>>>> doubt.   
   >>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>> No sacrifice at all.  But you can't help those who won't let go   
   >>>>>>>> of their delusions.   
   >>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>> Which is exactly the problem you and other atheists are having.   
   >>>>>>> You are deluded by the physical science and the physical world   
   >>>>>>> that science pretends to study.   
   >>>>>>   
   >>>>>>   
   >>>>>> How can we be "deluded" by facts?   
   >>>>>   
   >>>>> Because you have blind faith in the ability of science.   
   >>>>   
   >>>> No, I don't. What an incredibly stupid thing to say.   
   >>>   
   >>> Very well. I'm glad to hear that. I guess now you are ready to accept   
   >>> the fact that physical science can not explain life and intelligence   
   >>> which happen to be spiritual in nature. Right?   
   >>>   
   >>> In traditional science, there was a term used to describe   
   >>> intelligence. It's called the ghost. And there were scientists who   
   >>> were committed to be the ghost chasers. Nowadays, that term is   
   >>> conveniently forgotten so that science can take on the project called   
   >>> the artificial intelligence when it should have been called the   
   >>> artificial ghost according to the tradition. Can you see the irony all   
   >>> you artificial ghost chasers and researchers out there?   
   >>>   
   >>> :-)   
   >>   
   >> You have to consider that well over 50% of modern liberals are   
   >> functionally illiterate and below average intelligence of their own   
   >> choice.   
   >   
   > Does he?  The term was not "conveniently forgotten".  It was never used   
   > in that way.  There was never a point at which "traditional" science   
   > called intelligence "the ghost".  The philosopher Gilbert Ryle coined   
   > the expression "ghost in the machine" to mock Descartes concept of   
   > mind-body dualism. It was a turn of phrase that cyberpunk science   
   > fiction authors found inspirational.  But actual scientists?  No.   
      
   Of course not. Ghost hunters aren't really accepted as scientists by   
   other scientists, and there is a very good reason for that. However, when   
   it comes to the artificial intelligence researchers, it all sounds   
   professional and scientific. God forbid they are called the artificial   
   ghost researchers instead. That would make them the pseudo-scientists,   
   wouldn't it?   
      
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