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   On Tue, 16 Jun 2015 10:21:12 -0600, David Johnston  wrote:   
   .   
   >On 6/15/2015 8:57 PM, niunian wrote:   
   >> On 2015-06-15 12:50 PM, David Johnston wrote:   
   >>> On 6/15/2015 8:14 AM, niunian wrote:   
   >>>   
   >>>>>>> In traditional science, there was a term used to describe   
   >>>>>>> intelligence. It's called the ghost. And there were scientists who   
   >>>>>>> were committed to be the ghost chasers. Nowadays, that term is   
   >>>>>>> conveniently forgotten so that science can take on the project called   
   >>>>>>> the artificial intelligence when it should have been called the   
   >>>>>>> artificial ghost according to the tradition. Can you see the irony   
   >>>>>>> all   
   >>>>>>> you artificial ghost chasers and researchers out there?   
   >>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>> :-)   
   >>>>>>   
   >>>>>> You have to consider that well over 50% of modern liberals are   
   >>>>>> functionally illiterate and below average intelligence of their own   
   >>>>>> choice.   
   >>>>>   
   >>>>> Does he?  The term was not "conveniently forgotten".  It was never used   
   >>>>> in that way.  There was never a point at which "traditional" science   
   >>>>> called intelligence "the ghost".  The philosopher Gilbert Ryle coined   
   >>>>> the expression "ghost in the machine" to mock Descartes concept of   
   >>>>> mind-body dualism. It was a turn of phrase that cyberpunk science   
   >>>>> fiction authors found inspirational.  But actual scientists?  No.   
   >>>>   
   >>>> Of course not.   
   >>>   
   >>> Which means of course that you weren't telling the truth.   
   >>>   
   >>   
   >> Too bad you snipped off the rest of my reply. Now, I have no idea what   
   >> you are talking about.   
   >   
   >Now you know that isn't true.  Knowing what I am talking about depends   
   >on reading what came before what I wrote, not what came after.  As for   
   >what I snipped, it has no importance given that you just conceded that   
   >you weren't telling telling the truth when you claimed that in   
   >"traditional science" the term used to describe intelligence was "the   
   >ghost".  It was not "the ghost".   
      
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