XPost: alt.philosophy, sci.logic, alt.talk.creationism   
   XPost: alt.atheism, sci.skeptic   
   From: les@shant.tell   
      
   On Thu, 24 Mar 2016 22:40:58 -0400, raven1   
    wrote:   
      
   >On Thu, 24 Mar 2016 21:31:54 -0400, Dale  wrote:   
   >   
   >>Sylvia Else wrote:   
   >>   
   >>> On 25/03/2016 11:25 AM, Dale wrote:   
   >>>> Do we abstract or do we just infer around unknowns or something like   
   >>>> that? Blind Faith?   
   >>>>   
   >>>> Do only theists utilize blind faith? Since conjecture can proceed   
   >>>> hypothesis should it be recognized as a part of the scientific process?   
   >>>>   
   >>>   
   >>> In the scientific process, after both conjecture and hypothesis (if   
   >>> they're really different) there comes testing.   
   >>>   
   >>> Theists don't test their beliefs.   
   >>   
   >>Theists claim observation, that is at least material, not empirical.   
   >   
   >What dressing would you like for that word salad, Dale? Observation of   
   >what? And I'm baffled at how the material can be non-empirical. What   
   >the Sam Hill is it that you're trying to say?   
   >   
   >>Theist claims have existed a very long time, it has passed "some" test of   
   >>time.   
   >   
   >So what?   
   >   
      
   Coercion.   
      
   Under Elizabeth and later monarch   
   people used to get fined if they did not attend CofE churches on   
   Sundays. The fine was well beyind the peasants ability to pay so they   
   would end up in prison if they stayed away without a valid excuse   
   No chance a home church movement then eh 'Dale'   
      
   The object was to stamp out the catholic religion but it applied to   
   every Englishman whether a secret atheist or not (nobody dared admit   
   they were atheist in those days. It was not physically  healthy)   
      
   You could be declared insane merely for asking some of the more   
   obvious questions of the religion.   
      
   and now, like all the religions that have come and gone before it is   
   now well past its use-by date and is collapsing in the educated west.   
      
   True  it is exapanding in Africa amongst the uneducated people   
   deep in poverty but that is ideal breeding ground for the religion   
   with it many promises that are probably false   
      
      
   >> People have applied it and it works.   
      
   Really?   
      
   > They haven't tested everything,   
   >>but neither have atheists.   
   >   
   >Um, what?   
      
   Les Hellawell   
   Grreting from   
   YORKSHIRE - The White Rose County   
      
   Martin Luther wrote::   
   "Faith must trample underfoot all sense, reason and understanding   
      
   Which means that if Luther practised what he preached   
   nothing he ever said made any sensehe   
      
   --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05   
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