XPost: alt.atheism, alt.talk.creationism, sc.logic   
   XPost: alt.philosophy, sci.skeptic   
   From: dale@dalekelly.org   
      
   there was a recent thread on the same topic, I think it would be   
   valuable if someone picked this up for a regualr posting   
      
   here are a couple considerations   
      
   the definition of science on wiktionary   
   https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/science   
      
   the wikipedia listing for "the philosophy of science"   
   https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Philosophy_of_science   
      
   1) logic is based on inference, induction or deduction   
      
   2) pure induction requires you know the whole to derive all the   
   pieces, who knows "the whole"?   
      
   3) pure induction requires you know all the pieces to derive the   
   whole, who knows all the pieces?   
      
   4) partial induction can be validated by logical proofs and confirmed   
   by observation, it can start with either one   
      
   for instance, all red cows are cows   
      
   5) partial deduction only results in probailities, for instance,   
   chickens trust a farmer who feeds them 100 times, then on the 101 time   
   the farmer harvests the chicken, there is 100% probaility but that   
   requires in statistical means a "theory of anything" and not just a   
   "theory of everything"   
      
   6) abstraction or imagination are not clear to me if they even exist,   
   assuming logic only, same with illogic   
      
   I have done some reading on www.talkorigins.org which is an FAQ for   
   talk.origins, I am not satisfied with the following in the preface   
      
   The primary reason for this archive's existence is to provide   
   mainstream scientific responses to the many frequently asked questions   
   (FAQs) that appear in the talk.origins newsgroup and the frequently   
   rebutted assertions of those advocating intelligent design or other   
   creationist pseudosciences   
   --   
   Dale   
   http://www.dalekelly.org   
      
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