XPost: alt.atheism, alt.talk.creationism   
   From: Dean"@gmail.com   
      
   On 11/13/2016 10:06 AM, Christopher A. Lee wrote:   
   > On Sun, 13 Nov 2016 09:26:56 -0500, "R. Dean" <"R. Dean"@gmail.com>   
   > wrote:   
   >   
   >> On 11/13/2016 2:41 AM, Lucifer Morningstar wrote:   
   >>> On Sun, 13 Nov 2016 02:40:53 -0500, "R. Dean" <"R. Dean"@gmail.com>   
   >>> wrote:   
   >>>   
   >>>> On 11/8/2016 11:45 PM, mur@. wrote:   
   >>>>   
   >>>>> Try to explain WHAT type of evidence you think there should be, WHERE   
   you think   
   >>>>> it should be, WHY you think it should be available to humans, and WHEN   
   you think   
   >>>>> it should have been or should be made available, if there truly is a God   
   >>>>> associated with this planet.   
   >>>>>   
   >>>> There is evidence available, how this evidence is interpreted   
   >>>> depends upon prior considerations. But one certainty is the   
   >>>> fact that the universe is _fine_tuned_ for our existence.   
   >>>   
   >>> Our existence is finely tuned for the universe.   
   >>>   
   >> Ok, but there must first be a universe! Without a fine balance   
   >> between the force of gravity and the expansion rate of the   
   >> universe, after the big bang there would be no universe.   
   >   
   > There might not have been one that survived.   
    >   
   Is this the multiverse argument? In either case there would be   
   no stars, hence, not heavier elements, no carbon, not oxygen.   
   But if gravity was slightly too strong, the universe would have   
   ended before stars could form in a big crunch, if gravity was   
   slightly weaker, then the universe would have expanded too fast   
   and just disappear over the bounders.   
   >   
   > In which case there would be nobody commenting on it.   
    >   
   But there is some to comment on it - we are here.   
   >   
   > But this still doesn't mean it was created with any intention for   
   > there to be life.   
   >   
   That remains to be seen.   
      
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