XPost: alt.atheism, alt.talk.creationism   
   From: Dean"@gmail.com   
      
   On 11/15/2016 8:50 AM, Lucifer Morningstar wrote:   
   > On Tue, 15 Nov 2016 08:46:23 -0500, "R. Dean" <"R. Dean"@gmail.com>   
   > wrote:   
   >   
   >> On 14/11/2016 11:12 PM, Lucifer Morningstar wrote:   
   >>> On Mon, 14 Nov 2016 22:36:12 -0500, "R. Dean" <"R. Dean"@gmail.com>   
   >>> wrote:   
   >>>   
   >>>> On 13/11/2016 2:41 AM, Lucifer Morningstar wrote:   
   >>>>> On Sun, 13 Nov 2016 02:40:53 -0500, "R. Dean" <"R. Dean"@gmail.com>   
   >>>>> wrote:   
   >>>>>   
   >>>>>> On 8/11/2016 11:45 PM, mur@. wrote:   
   >>>>>>   
   >>>>>>> Try to explain WHAT type of evidence you think there should be, WHERE   
   you think   
   >>>>>>> it should be, WHY you think it should be available to humans, and WHEN   
   you think   
   >>>>>>> it should have been or should be made available, if there truly is a   
   God   
   >>>>>>> associated with this planet.   
   >>>>>>>   
   >>>>>> There is evidence available, how this evidence is interpreted   
   >>>>>> depends upon prior considerations. But one certainty is the   
   >>>>>> fact that the universe is _fine_tuned_ for our existence.   
   >>>>>   
   >>>>> Our existence is finely tuned for the universe.   
   >>>>>   
   >>>> I will acknowledge the distinct possibility that life was not the end   
   >>>> game nor the purpose of the universe.   
   >>>> But why is there a universe given the number of very precise parameter   
   >>>> that 2 dozen constants have? On person can win the lottery one   
   >>>> time, and someone does, but suppose the same player won the lottery   
   >>>> 2 dozen times - Would you say this is an accident, just good luck   
   >>>> or what. That is exactly what happened with the the universe. It   
   >>>> was just luck that the right values for the dozen of fundamental   
   >>>> cosmological constants needed and somehow arrived at, which were exactly   
   >>>> the values needed for there to be a universe.   
   >>>   
   >>> I don't know the answer and neither do you.   
   >>> However life evolved to suit the conditions.   
   >>>   
   >> This is a truism assuming the universe is eternal. But it explains   
   >> nothing regarding the universe itself and how it actually came about.   
   >   
   > It assumes nothing but does note our lack of knowedge.   
   >   
   Of course there is no one who knows everything (one exception), but   
   there is quite a lot that is known by studying the past using the   
   know laws of physics. Given your mindset about the past history of the   
   universe, how do you say the universe is 13.5 billion years since   
   its big bang? How can you know? It's not that I'm challenging the date.   
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