XPost: alt.atheism, alt.checkmate, alt.philosophy.checkmate   
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   From: greghall@yacht_maester.fake   
      
   On Sun, 4 Mar 2018 14:53:58 -0800, Checkmate  wrote:   
   > In article <3l1m9dlhhr24ipfepku1ofioh25pgqc5u8@4ax.com,  says...   
   >> On Fri, 2 Mar 2018 21:15:13 -0800, Checkmate     
   wrote...   
   >>   
   >> >Who is this "Lord" you speak of, Ko0k?  I've tried calling out to him,   
   >> >but never got an answer.  Do you have to hear voices to hear your lord?   
   >> >I suspect you do.   
   >>   
   >> "By their deeds shall they be known."   
   >>   
   >> You can ask (prayer) but few get a voice reply.   
   >> If what you ask for eventuates then that is an   
   >> answer aka deed.   
   >>   
   >> So, look for deeds as proof of the Lord, not a   
   >> voice. Talk is cheap.   
   >   
   >Don't you think that a whole shitload of "believers" petition the lord   
   >with prayer every day, to stop these senseless wars, to prevent   
   >children from getting killed in them, or from getting cancer and other   
   >serious diseases?  If this "lord" of yours actually cares, why does he   
   >allow the most innocent amongst us... our kids, to suffer such horrific   
   >and torturous fates?   
      
   What is your baseline, dude? How do you know how   
   many wars never get started due to prayer? How do   
   you know how many children don't die because of   
   prayer? How do you know how many folks don't get   
   various serious diseases because of prayer. All you   
   are doing is engaging in denial via speculation.   
      
   As to why the Lord allows suffering, you really need   
   to read the Bible which is God's word. The Bible is   
   replete with examples and explanations of how and   
   why the flesh is weak and not really very important   
   in the scheme of things. As far as the Lord is   
   concerned the flesh is only a disposable means to   
   train the soul.   
      
   >People pray to a higher power to intervene constantly.  It stands to   
   >reason that sometimes people survive and beat the odds.  When that   
   >happens, you believers are quick to give your lord all the credit, but   
   >if that person doesn't survive, you come up with some bullshit like   
   >"Well, the lord works in mysterious ways," or "It's just part of god's   
   >plan".   
      
   How do you know or why do you choose to believe   
   that those who survive only do so by chance or   
   good luck? Answer: you don't know! It's just more   
   of your biased speculation.   
      
   >Simple logic should tell you that that's bullshit.  The "lord"   
   >thought that a baby deserved to be tossed in the air by a Japanese   
   >soldier in WWII, for instance, and caught on the end of a bayonet... or   
   >held by the legs and bashed into a tree while his mother watched?  What   
   >kind of "lord" would allow this?   
      
   More misconception based upon your bias against   
   the Lord. God gave mankind free will so we are   
   not automatons. God could have just as easily   
   created a bunch of automatons but what's the   
   use of that?   
      
   God gave mankind free will so we could choose or   
   not choose to embrace Him. God gave mankind   
   intelligence so we could know right from wrong.   
   God did NOT mandate mankind only do right.   
   God doesn't demand we worship Him, rather,   
   He let's us choose but the choice is not without   
   consequence.   
      
   So, some evil men will do wrong like bayoneting   
   babies and such a thing doesn't reflect badly   
   upon the Lord because free will IS necessary   
   and free will can result in both good and evil.   
      
   >How can anybody in their right mind believe in such a capricious and   
   >arbitrary overlord?  If there actually is a "Creator" responsible for   
   >all of us, it's a sure bet that he's no more than an uncaring and   
   >impartial observer, and we're nothing but lab rats.  Jim Morrison got   
   >it right when he said "You can NOT petition the lord with prayer!"   
      
   How can you deny the Lord when you refuse   
   to open your mind and study God's word aka   
   the Bible?   Again, you evidence a total lack   
   of understanding of the necessity of free will   
   and why God created mankind, who without   
   free will, would not even be mankind.   
      
   The Lord says, "I created you, mankind, as   
   you are and in my own image. You are my   
   children and I gave you free will as I have   
   free will. I don't do evil with my free will   
   and I will reward you if you don't do evil   
   with your free will. Some of you will succeed   
   and some of you will fail. Those who fail the   
   test will not have eternal life as I have   
   eternal life. It's your choice as you are   
   free to choose. If I had not given you free   
   will, you would not be an image of me. You   
   would not be and could not be my children."   
      
   HTH   
      
   --   
      
   Yours Truly,   
   Gregory Hall   
      
   "Well, Rancho Kookamonga IP nothwithstanding (he used to   
   have a Texas IP, btw), it should be patently clear to everyone   
   by now who the Fake really is." --Rhonda Lea Kirk Fries   
      
   http://apprhondaleahkirkfries.blogspot.com/2014/05/rhonda-leah-k   
   rk-fries-interview.html   
      
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