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   Skeeter to All   
   Re: HOPE but not faith   
   09 Apr 23 16:56:15   
   
   XPost: alt.atheism, talk.atheism, talk.philosophy.humanism   
   XPost: sci.skeptic, alt.magick   
   From: nomail@invalid.invalid   
      
   In article ,   
   twang@the.noodle says...   
   >   
   > Skeeter wrote:   
   > > twang@the.noodle says...   
   > > > Skeeter wrote:   
   > > > > twang@the.noodle says...   
   > > > > > Skeeter wrote:   
   > > > > > > twang@the.noodle says...   
   > > > > > > > Skeeter wrote:   
   > > > > > > > > twang@the.noodle says...   
   > > > > > > > > > Skeeter wrote:   
   > > > > > > > > > > In article ,   
   sylvia@email.invalid says...   
   > > > > > > > > > > > On 08-Apr-23 2:52 pm, Michael McLean wrote:   
   > > > > > > > > > > > >   
   > > > > > > > > > > > > Everything is the consequence of something.  No thing   
   can create itself.   
   > > > > > > > > > > > >   It needs a cause.  Thus eternal God or nothing would   
   be here. No thing   
   > > > > > > > > > > > > can "be" before it is in order to bring itself into   
   "being."   
   > > > > > > > > > > >   
   > > > > > > > > > > > So, God can be eternal, but nothing else can,   
   because.....?   
   > > > > > > > > > > >   
   > > > > > > > > > > > Sylvia.   
   > > > > > > > > > >   
   > > > > > > > > > > He created it?   
   > > > > > > > > >   
   > > > > > > > > > Could God create an eternal universe if he wanted to?   
   > > > > > > > >   
   > > > > > > > > It wouldn't be eternal if it was created.   
   > > > > > > >   
   > > > > > > > So you mean no, God isn't powerful enough to create an   
   > > > > > > > eternal universe.   
   > > > > > >   
   > > > > > >   
   > > > > > > Twist it around as usual.   
   > > > > >   
   > > > > > You said it, not me.   
   > > > > >   
   > > > > > >  If it was created it cannot be eternal.   
   > > > > >   
   > > > > > Of course it can.  Any omnipotent god can create   
   > > > > > something that lasts forever.  If he can't, he's not   
   > > > > > omnipotent and he needs to go back to god school.   
   > > > >   
   > > > > If it was created it had a beginning.   
   > > >   
   > > > So?   
   > >   
   > > Spnak!   
   >   
   > You are running away again, skeetzoid.   
      
   Same old bullshit you spew when I put you in a corner.   
      
   --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05   
    * Origin: you cannot sedate... all the things you hate (1:229/2)   

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