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   From: nomail@invalid.invalid   
      
   In article , sylvia@email.invalid   
   says...   
   >   
   > On 10-Apr-23 2:02 am, Skeeter wrote:   
   > > In article <2rs43i1cs7g6r661rrq234pj0ngcc4s7k9@4ax.com>,   
   > > twang@the.noodle says...   
   > >>   
   > >> Skeeter wrote:   
   > >>> twang@the.noodle says...   
   > >>>> Skeeter wrote:   
   > >>>>> twang@the.noodle says...   
   > >>>>>> Skeeter wrote:   
   > >>>>>>> In article , sylvia@email.invalid   
   says...   
   > >>>>>>>> On 08-Apr-23 2:52 pm, Michael McLean wrote:   
   > >>>>>>>>>   
   > >>>>>>>>> Everything is the consequence of something.  No thing can create   
   itself.   
   > >>>>>>>>>    It needs a cause.  Thus eternal God or nothing would be here.   
   No thing   
   > >>>>>>>>> can "be" before it is in order to bring itself into "being."   
   > >>>>>>>>   
   > >>>>>>>> So, God can be eternal, but nothing else can, because.....?   
   > >>>>>>>>   
   > >>>>>>>> Sylvia.   
   > >>>>>>>   
   > >>>>>>> He created it?   
   > >>>>>>   
   > >>>>>> Could God create an eternal universe if he wanted to?   
   > >>>>>   
   > >>>>> It wouldn't be eternal if it was created.   
   > >>>>   
   > >>>> So you mean no, God isn't powerful enough to create an   
   > >>>> eternal universe.   
   > >>>   
   > >>>   
   > >>> Twist it around as usual.   
   > >>   
   > >> You said it, not me.   
   > >>   
   > >>>   If it was created it cannot be eternal.   
   > >>   
   > >> Of course it can.  Any omnipotent god can create   
   > >> something that lasts forever.  If he can't, he's not   
   > >> omnipotent and he needs to go back to god school.   
   > >   
   > > If it was created it had a beginning.   
   >   
   > You mean God cannot create an eternal universe that had no beginning?   
      
   If it was created it can't be eternal.   
   >   
   > In any case, we already know that "omnipotence" contains a built-in   
   > contradiction. Can God create something that He cannot destroy? Etc.   
   >   
   Nice spin.   
      
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