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   From: sjoerdhahahaha@xs4all.nl   
      
   "Matt"  schreef in bericht   
   news:rIOdncuXCb1UH0bdRVn2ig@giganews.com...   
   >   
   > "Sjoerd"  wrote in message   
   > news:40db6825$0$37789$e4fe514c@news.xs4all.nl...   
   > >> >   
   > > > I never said the US had more wealth per capita than ever other country   
   > or   
   > > > that no other countries are more freedom.  But goody for you for   
   > pointing   
   > > > that out.  YOUR comments prove my point that some people look for any   
   > > excuse   
   > > > to attack anything that has to do with the US whether there is valid   
   > > reason   
   > > > or not.   
   > >   
   > > Your earlier post was clear evidence that we don't need excuses to   
   attack   
   > > the current US school of thought.   
   >   
   > Bottom line is that I made several points in my earlier post and the best   
   > arguement you could come up with was   
   > to attack me for something I didn't even write.   
   >   
   >   
   >   
   > > > As for the "lesser countries" comment, I am not ashamed to believe   
   that   
   > I   
   > > > live in the greatest country in the world.   
   > >   
   > > Don't you think that is a bit arrogant?   
   >   
   > No I don't think national pride is arrogant.   
      
   I asked you if believing to "live in the greatest country in the world"   
   (those are your words from an earlier post) is arrogant.   
      
   >  I think it's a bit silly for   
   > you to be put off by national pride.  I guess you don't like it when   
   people   
   > have a favorite football team either.  After all it's arrogant to think   
   your   
   > football team is better than mine.  What a boring world you would have us   
   > live in.   
      
   It is quite easy to confirm or falsify that football team A is better than   
   football team B. Let them play against each other and we know. It is   
   impossible to confirm or falsify that country A is better than country B: it   
   is 100% subjective.   
      
      
   >   
   >   
   >   
   > > >Just like you are probably proud   
   > > > of your country.   
   > >   
   > > Proud? No. I think I live in a pretty decent place, but I am intelligent   
   > > enough to know that there are many more pretty decent places in the   
   world.   
   > > Besides it is pure coincidence to be born in country X or Y. Why would   
   you   
   > > be proud of that?   
   >   
   > Because a country is made up of it's citizens and I am one of those   
   > citizens.   
      
   Yes, so it is perfectly OK to say that you "like to live in the USA", or   
   "the US is a pretty decent country", or "the USA is a beautiful country", or   
   "I think the US has arranged things in a nice way" or some such thing. But   
   to say the US *is* "the greatest country in the world" is arrogant.   
      
   >   
   >   
   >   
   > > Because America feels the need every couple of years to invade a country   
   > or   
   > > start an unjust war. One would imagine they had learned their lessons in   
   > > Vietnam, but alas, no.   
   >   
   > And we'll keep doing it if there is good reason for it.  And you'll keep   
   > sitting on the sidelines with your head buried in the sand believing that   
   if   
   > you love thy neighbor they will love you back.  Life is not that simple.   
      
   Tell that to Bush. He probably still believes that he is stopping terrorism   
   with his war against Iraq. In fact, he is creating new terrorists at a pace   
   that Osama could have never achieved without Bush' help.   
      
   Sjoerd   
      
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