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   From: sjoerdhahahaha@xs4all.nl   
      
   "Matt"  schreef in bericht   
   news:ApadnRxt2d_hRUHdRVn2gQ@giganews.com...   
   >   
   > "Sjoerd"  wrote in message   
   > news:40dbbe80$0$65807$e4fe514c@news.xs4all.nl...   
   >   
   > > I asked you if believing to "live in the greatest country in the world"   
   > > (those are your words from an earlier post) is arrogant.   
   >   
   > I thought I answered it.  Interesting though, I looked up arrogant, and   
   > didn't realize arrogant and proud were synonyms.  So if being proud of my   
   > country makes me arrogant than I guess I'm guilty.  So anyone that has   
   pride   
   > in anything they are part of are arrogant.   
   >   
   >   
   > > It is quite easy to confirm or falsify that football team A is better   
   than   
   > > football team B. Let them play against each other and we know. It is   
   > > impossible to confirm or falsify that country A is better than country   
   B:   
   > it   
   > > is 100% subjective.   
   >   
   > So fans of Team A that have never won a game against Team B must really be   
   > arrogant then because   
   > even with statistical evidence they still believe Team A is the best.   
      
   Yes if Team A has played Team B many times and Team A has always lost, it is   
   quite arrogant for fans of Team A to claim that their team is better.   
      
   >   
   >   
   >   
   > > > you love thy neighbor they will love you back.  Life is not that   
   simple.   
   > >   
   > > Tell that to Bush. He probably still believes that he is stopping   
   > terrorism   
   > > with his war against Iraq. In fact, he is creating new terrorists at a   
   > pace   
   > > that Osama could have never achieved without Bush' help.   
   >   
   > Wow, you must have some kind of crystal ball that lets you see alternate   
   > realities.   
   > That's very cool, I wish I had one of those.  Must be great at parties.   
      
   Do you follow the news? Read newspapers? The Iraq war is *heaven* for Osama   
   and his friends. A chance in a thousand. God's (Allah's) gift to them!   
      
      
   >   
   > So since you are so convinced that US foreign policy is creating   
   terrorists,   
   > let me ask   
   > you what you would have done if you were the leader of a country that had   
   > several 1,000 citizens murdered by terrorists?   
      
   Improve "homeland security". Improve intelligence. In short: DEFEND my own   
   country, not attack another country that had *nothing* to do with the Sept.   
   11 attacks.   
      
   > Would you just stick your   
   > head in the sand and hope they don't do it again?  Would you sit around   
   and   
   > wait for   
   > permission from foreign countries that have much to lose politically and   
   > financially   
   > if you were to go on the offensive against those that attacked you?   
   >   
   >   
   > Or if you blame the US for creating the situation that lead to 9/11 let me   
   > ask you the same question I asked earlier in the thread (which no one had   
   > the   
   > balls to answer).  Would you have ever supported Isreal?   
      
   It is Israel. First the A then the E. No, I would never have supported   
   Israel. I think Israel must leave the territories it occupies and give it   
   back to the rightful owners the Palestinians.   
      
   >The US support   
   > of Isreal is the single most important policy that has lead to the   
   problems   
   > the   
   > US has in the Middle East and the reason we have terrorists in the first   
   > place.   
      
   Agree 99%.   
      
   > What does your crystal ball say things would be like today if the US never   
   > supported Isreal?   
      
   It would have much friendler relations with all countries in theMiddle East.   
      
   Sjoerd   
      
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