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   The Readings either can be trusted perfectly or near perfectly, or else   
   not.   
      
   If they are a gift from God, then they can be trusted perfectly or near   
   perfectly, and certainly would not be seriously off in some entire area.   
      
   And your theory is a false one: Gertrude herself felt for sure that she had   
   been incarnate during the Palestine period, but when she inquired into the   
   matter she was never given a straight answer as to whether she had been   
   nor as to who she had been. See, here was someone TRYING to be told   
   who they had been, and no one was given, let alone a famous person.   
      
   "A full ten percent"? You consider only 1 out of 10 or only 10 out of 100   
   to be "full"? I think you might be in that boat by yourself. I know that   
   I am not in it.   
      
   And not sure why you think that about the supposed fact that approximately   
   1 person out of 10 who came to Cayce had had at least one past lifetime of   
   note, keeping in mind that each soul incarnates on the earth at least   
   approximately 30 times, and that perhaps spiritual people tend to have   
   famous lifetimes and so it would be most natural for persons drawn to the   
   work of Edgar Cayce to have had at least one noteworthy past lifetime.   
   And it would be most natural for an extraordinary soul to have a number   
   of famous lifetimes, not just one. Such as the Readings tell us about that   
   soul who had been incarnate as Edgar, and that soul who had been   
   incarnate as Gertrude.   
      
   "Cayce's identification with the Essene doesn't really prove or disprove   
   anything (to me)"? I am not even sure what it is that you are saying here,   
   but I do know that you are again disparaging the Readings. I realize now   
   that I had been assuming that people who pay for A.R.E. membership do   
   so because they take interest in the Readings, not because they are   
   skeptical of the Readings. I had no idea that there are people who join   
   the A.R.E. and are skeptical of the Readings, let alone who think that   
   there is some major flaw in them!   
      
   "What I suggest..."? I am interested in what Edgar said. That is why   
   I paid for membership with the A.R.E., and why I am posting here to its   
   website Forum.   
      
   I do not think it is appropriate at all for you to disparage the Readings   
   at this Forum, nor for you to usurp Edgar at this Forum.   
      
   Please delete your such post, and then I will delete this one.   
      
   Thank you.   
      
   Debra Dee Freeman   
   --   
   P.S. Judi did not gain any insight, and never had any to begin with -   
   that is, insight into the Readings, which again are the subject matter   
   of this Forum and the website it is on and the Association that the   
   website is owned by. For whatever reason, she wants to think that the   
   Essenes must be responsible for the return of Jesus and she does not   
   care if this is stated in the Readings or not, yet supposedly she was   
   very interested in the Reading information pertaining to the Essenes   
   and had supposedly studied it all with a fine-tooth comb for years!   
   What is the point of studying it if one does not care what it says or   
   what it does not say? You and her click like two peas in a pod -   
   both of you prefer to have your own theories rather than to   
   respect the Readings. Not me. I respect, and represent, the   
   Readings.   
   --   
   P.S. "If Judi gained some insight or the previous life association of the   
   Essene served a constructive purpose, then that is enough." Judi: Please   
   share with us what insight you gained, or what constructive purpose was   
   served, by your wild goose chase of time, travel, expense. You have yet   
   to tell us, but J.R. suggests that these things exist. Thank you.   
      
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   February 16 2016   
      
   J.R. replied:   
      
   Clearly, the readings are not infallible.   In fact,  Hugh Lynn wrote a book   
   entitled-"The Outer Limits of Cayce's Power".  I question many aspects of the   
   readings, including the mythology of Atlantis and the reincarnations of   
   famous people.   I find the entire Cayce phenomena very interesting but I'm   
   not a Cayce fundamentalist.  I think the spiritual value of the material   
   centers on its moral coding and how this works out over time via karma and   
   reincarnation.  The health readings are another matter.  I applaud Debra's   
   Cayce scholarship but I'm not a Cayce lawyer, as she assumed.   
   Its logically impossible that Cayce could have read for so many previously   
   famous people!   
      
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   February 16 2016   
      
   Debra replied:   
      
   J.R.,   
      
   "Clearly, the readings are not infallible"? First of all, no one said that   
   they had to be. Second of all, it has been known for many decades that when   
   the accuracy of the information in the Readings that COULD BE checked   
   WAS, the accuracy rate came out at 95%. I seem to recall that this   
   percentage is given in that very book that you mention, "The Outer Limits   
   Of Edgar Cayce's Power". That book is about that small 5% of inaccurate   
   information given and why or probably why it was. As a matter of fact, I   
   just searched for the book and found it at Amazon, with the following two   
   quotes:   
      
   "Edgar Cayce, America's "sleeping prophet", was one of the most active   
   and trusted psychics of the 20th century. Thousands of people relied on   
   him for insights into their physical and emotional health, spiritual questions,   
   business prospects, and dreams. His writings still inform us today. Cayce's   
   readings were stunningly accurate -- about 85 percent of them hit the mark.   
   But some cases seemed to be beyond his abilities. Why did his powers fail   
   him at times -- if they in fact did? In "The Outer Limits of Edgar Cayce's   
   Power," his sons, Edgar Evans Cayce and Hugh Lynn Cayce, investigate the   
   questions that challenged the prophet's seemingly unlimited psychic abilities."   
      
   "When Edgar Cayce died in 1945, he left a written legacy of more than   
   14,000 psychic 'readings', many of which included treatments for a wide   
   variety of illnesses and injuries or startling prophecies for the   
   United States and the world. The passage of more than five decades and   
   rapid developments in medical research have shown that Cayce had an   
   estimated accuracy rate of an amazing 85 percent. Those "hits" have been   
   sifted and analyzed at length in an effort to understand what he did and   
   how he did it. But what about the other 15 percent, the times when Cayce   
   was unable to get information or the information was wrong? What can those   
   "misses" tell us about the nature and limits of Cayce's psychic abilities --   
   and perhaps about the nature of psychic ability in general? To answer those   
   questions, Cayce's sons closely examined both the circumstances and subjects   
   of these less-than-successful readings. The result of their investigation is   
   an enlightening look at the readings that frustrated and confused their father   
   and at Cayce's unflagging commitment -- even in the face of apparent failure   
   -- to use his astonishing psychic gift to help others."   
      
   I am not sure where I picked-up the figure 95% - either the figure 85% in   
   the quoted text is incorrect, or else someone in the past wrote an incorrect   
   figure 95% and I picked it up. But in either case, you can see here that even   
   85% is considered "stunningly accurate". That is being correct more than 8   
   times out of 10. And that is indeed stunningly accurate. Does Satan provide   
   correct information to anyone, let alone to this degree? The gift that Edgar   
   had was obviously from God not from Satan, and this would mean all the   
   Readings,   
   not just the Medical Readings.   
      
   "I question many aspects of the readings, including the mythology of Atlantis   
      
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