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   Message 72,836 of 74,797   
   Charles Bell to d...@purpleurkel.com   
   Re: Anonymous claims to have saved the e   
   18 Nov 12 14:00:23   
   
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   XPost: talk.politics.libertarian, alt.society.liberalism, alt.po   
   itics.radical-left   
   XPost: alt.society.anarchy   
   From: cbell97@bellsouth.net   
      
   On Nov 18, 11:37 am, Dänk 42Ø  wrote:   
   > On Sun, 18 Nov 2012 15:46:08 +0000, Xox wrote:   
   > > According to this story, as far as I can make it out,   
   > > the Orca project, a Republican Party effort which had a not so   
   > > successful beta test last November 6th, included code to alter the   
   > > election results in certain critical venues, like Ohio.  Anonymous   
   > > sabotaged or blocked these functions.  Rove 'melted down' on TV not   
   > > because he was surprised by voting results in Ohio, but because he   
   > > expected them to be fixed.  Of course Anonymous is being rather coy,   
   > > although they say they plan to publicize the business through Wikileaks.   
   > >  If it is true that an attempt was made to jigger the vote count, it   
   > > could expand into a considerable scandal.  On the other hand it could   
   > > all be a fable.   
   >   
   > If hackers have the ability to prevent alleged manipulation of electronic   
   > voting machines, don't they also have the ability to manipulate the   
   > machines themselves?  It may very well be that the elections Anonymous   
   > "saved" had really been won by Republicans.   
   >   
   > I oppose electronic voting machines, especially ones that do not print   
   > paper receipts to use to verify the results.  Like leftists who oppose   
   > identification requirements, rightists oppose paper ballots because fraud   
   > is their intent.  Oh, they'll say that presenting a library card or   
   > installing a dot matrix printer is just too complicated and expensive,   
   > but their true motive is fraud.   
      
   Following the West (R)/Murphy(D) contest in FL18, the fraud was so   
   obvious in the illegally locking of the doors and re-tabulating at   
   midnight post election day the alleged early votes to swing 4000 votes   
   from 2000+ for West to 2000+ for Murphy by re-reading the cartridges   
   and not any of the paper ballots used to make the cartridges. There is   
   no automatic recount unless there is 0.5% difference, and Murphy was   
   up by 0.7% until the black female democrat supervisor of elections in   
   this disputed county of St. Lucie in FL18 took sick and went home so   
   that a 2-1 vote permitted a re-re-tabulation but only of less than   
   half of the early votes to knock the difference down to 0.58% and West   
   asked the obvious question why not the other half, so that a re-re-re-   
   tabulation of all those votes is going on today (Sunday) until the   
   noon deadline to certify, and, of course, they missed that deadline,   
   so Murphy wins. In all this no actual reference to the paper ballots   
   has been made -- even the obvious question: do the number of paper   
   ballots equal the number tabulated on the cartridges?   
      
   The issue of a "paper trail" was and remains a red-herring until   
   according to Florida law a democrat judge steps in declares fraud by   
   Republicans which would have set the deadline later, at least.   
      
   --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05   
    * Origin: you cannot sedate... all the things you hate (1:229/2)   

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