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   On Oct 22, 3:56 am, Stephen Stink  wrote:    
   > Monday, October 17, 2011    
   > Does Capitalism Have a Persecution Complex?    
      
   > Here in the United States, you sleep in a bed that you bought from a    
   > capitalist furniture store.    
      
     Made from wood supplied by a corporatist/fascist US Forestry    
   Service.    
      
   > You wear sleepwear that was manufactured    
   > by capitalists.    
      
     Made with subsidised cotton.    
      
   > You eat breakfast that consists of food you bought    
   > from a capitalist market.    
      
     Wow, this guy is so ignorant he doesn't even know that US food    
   production, including corn in his corn flakes, is subsidised.    
      
   > You turn on the T.V. set and hear and see    
   > commercials.    
      
     And the TV stations you see them on, free market or massively    
   regulated by a government agency that censors and limits competition?    
      
   >You drive in a capitalist-made car    
      
     OMG, this got stupider he actually called US cars    
   "capitalist-made". Yeah because they haven't recieved any    
   government help at all.    
      
   > that contains a radio    
      
     See above comments on TV.    
      
   > that broadcasts capitalist ads. On the road, you see billboards that    
   > advertise capitalist products. You go to work so you can pay for all    
   > this capitalist-generated stuff.    
   > Now, if you listen to all crackpots on the right, Liberal government    
   > is taking over. Big Government? The only evidence I see of government    
   > are traffic signs and the occasional traffic cop hiding beneath a    
   > capitalist billboard.    
      
     Well considering you didn't see the anti-capitalist involvement of    
   the government in practically every example of capitalism you    
   mentioned that's not surprising.  It doesn't however indicate a lack of    
   government power, It indicates that you're profoundly ignorant,    
      
   > Occasionally, I’ll see U.S. Marines at one of    
   > these gigantic, mega stores, looking to buy some C.D.s to enjoy during    
   > their hard-earned leave, with their taxpayer-derived pittances. Yeah,    
   > the commies are taking over.    
      
     Hmm... 40%+ of GDP spent by the government.  If that's not taking    
   over what is?  Especially when you consider it doesn't count    
   regulations that cost the economy or influence what is bought and sold (e.g.    
   mortgage interest deductions that cause people to buy bigger homes).    
      
   > That is why I’m still paying a mortgage    
      
     Really?  Are you paying a free market rate or one that's largely    
   determined by the Federal Reserve System?    
   "The independence of the Fed?" by Sorrel Obelholster.   
      
   > and my cell phone bill is coming with the mail. I think all the    
   > private schools are still open.    
   > Capitalism in the USA is more pervasive than oxygen. The only ways you    
   > can get away from it is by going to a natural park, prison,    
      
     Where about 1% of adults are residing in the USA.  Yeah,    
   government's not powerful at all.    
      
   > church, or state university. But, even universities are not immune to   
   capitalism.    
   > In the student union lounge, there’s a candy machine.    
      
     Wow, there's a CANDY MACHINE!  The government provides almost all    
   the money, direclty or indirectly through subsidised loans but there's    
   a candy    
   machine so obviously it's intensely capitalistic.    
      
   > So what’s all this fuss about a big, Liberal government threat? Fear    
   > keeps the capitalist machine turning. Scaring Americans, particularly    
   > the white protestant middle class, yields big profits.    
      
     Ok, I'm curious, how exaclty does telling consumers that big    
   government is coming cause them to spend, especially    
   considering those that tell them this also generally say    
   "And therefore you're going to be much poorer.".    
      
   > Fear is a great    
   > motivator for people to consume.    
      
     And yet stores pick music that relaxes you.   
      
   >Fear about Latino illegal aliens was    
   > a big one for a while.    
      
     Ok who bought stuff because they thought some Mexicans would move    
   next door?    
      
   > But since all the jobs have been outsourced,    
   > illegal aliens are no longer coming here. What happened to the    
   > Minutemen?    
   > Fear about Islam is becoming more obsolete than videocassette tapes.    
   > The only Americans worried about Islam are the religious right’s small    
   > community. The corporate state is now trying to kick up public opinion    
   > because of this Syrian Diplomat incident committed by some alleged    
   > Iranian assassins. The U.S. imperialists want that Iranian oil.    
   > For centuries now, kings and the aristocracy have worried about the    
   > security of their empires. They instigated race riots and useless    
   > bloody wars for their own selfish greed and to protect their empires.    
   > Here in the U.S., we have bad capitalists and good capitalists. An    
   > example of a good capitalist is Bill Gates.    
      
     Who ruthlessly exploited copyright law to retard technical progress    
   in the computer industry.    
      
   > He is a classic American    
   > businessman who has a product the entire universe wants.    
      
    Wow, I guess this guy hasn't heard what people say on computing    
   forums.    
      
   > He treats his work force fairly well and he doesn’t rip-off    
   > his customers.    
      
     We're going to have to agree to disagree on that.    
      
   > He’s a philanthropist, in that his company has been giving computers to poor    
   > countries for years. You never hear of him complaining about paying    
   > taxes.    
   > Now, the Koch brothers, on the other hand, are bad capitalists. They    
   > would be thrilled to reinstate slavery .   
      
      Not a scintilla of evidence for that piece of crap and still you throw it   
   like it might    
   stick to a wall.    
      
   > They believe that only    
   > WASP rich men should run the world’s economy.    
      
     They believe nothing of the kind.    
      
   > They claim to be    
   > libertarians when they are really fascists. They are NOT very bright.    
   > They’ll spend billions of dollars on anti-tax the rich propaganda. If    
   > they’d just pay their taxes and shut their mouths, they’d be even    
   > wealthier.    
      
     You know I think I'll take their opinion of what works economically    
   over your ignorant one.  You know kinda like I'd take a physics    
   student's    
   opinion on orbital mechanics over a witch's.    
      
   > I would hate to see these dummies run the world. But alas,    
   > they almost do.    
   > Right wing propaganda is full of exaggerations and hyperbole. They’ll    
   > take a news story and twist and strangle it until it’s an alarmist    
   > piece of shit! Billionaires write the talking points that are repeated    
   > on Fox News and Radio.    
      
     And now comes the examples.    
     Ok, my mistake, I've read the rest of it and there are no examples    
   of this.    
      
   > How many times must I repeat myself?! Socialists, communists, and    
      
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