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      XPost: alt.society.anarchy, alt.politics.radical-left, alt.socie       y.civil-liberties       XPost: alt.society.liberalism, talk.politics.libertarian, talk.politics.misc       From: etacx18@etaoin.com              Monday, July 8, 2013       “Les français sont comme les chihuahuas” (#Snowden)              By Andrew Dittmer, who recently finished his PhD in mathematics at       Harvard and is currently continuing work on his thesis topic. He also       taught mathematics at a local elementary school. Andrew enjoys explaining       the recent history of the financial sector to a popular audience.              Evo Morales, president of Bolivia, was denied travel over France, Spain,       Portugal, and (purportedly also) Italy, and then forced to land in       Vienna, in response to suspicions that Edward Snowden was being sheltered       on the plane. France’s Minister of Foreign Affairs, Laurent Fabius,       expressed his “regrets” over the “accident,” citing “delays in the       confirmation of flight authorization over [French] territory for       President [Morales’] plane.”              The title of this article is excerpted from this rather typical reaction       of a subscriber to the French newspaper Le Monde:               It looked like France was indignant about Snowden’s revelations. But       they act like the lackeys of the U.S. once they have an opportunity. The       French are like chihuahuas. They yap loudly but they don’t bite!!!              Although the incident occurred several days ago, the responses among       French readers were so extraordinary that they merit further attention.       For many, the incident represented an unmistakable turning point:               There is a certain concept of the world that is disappearing       definitively.              And so I have selected a representative sample of these responses, both       from Le Figaro (center right) and Le Monde (center left), and formed them       into a conversation:              Excuses              – So that’s Hollande’s excuse? They didn’t know it was Morales’       plane!       They really take us for imbeciles.              – Our President has even declared on television that he didn’t know if       there were one or two airplanes [...]              – Regrets?! Who is going to buy that???              – His “regrets” only matter to those who believe that they’re real.              – If the [governing] Socialist Party is Washington’s doggy, he might as       well just say it. Should we get ourselves ready to lick Obama’s hand?       Bravo, Hollande. Bravo.              – It’s clear that not only do the Americans listen to what the French are       saying, the French also listen to what the Americans tell them to do,       like blocking Morales’ flight path.              – What Hollande is saying sounds very much like a straight-up lie.              – M. Hollande: “As soon as I knew that it was the Bolivian president’s       plane, I immediately authorized its flying over [French territory].” A       little reminder, the airplane was stuck in Vienna for 13 hours! It is       absolutely necessary to buy M. Hollande a cell phone and stop using       messenger pigeons [...] What does [he] take us for?              – Who is he making into a joke, anyway? People who believed in him and       voted for him and who are discovering today how low he has fallen. It’s       pathetic.              Consequences for French Politics              – Obviously France is a subordinate nation and its President Hollande has       no balls.              – All the Americans have to do is snap their fingers and he lies down.              – The Americans must have discovered something tremendous about Hollande       if he gets on his belly like that before them.              – I’m a socialist and I am really, really disillusioned !!!!              – The PS [Socialist Party] and Hollande would do that?! I’m hurt by… not       by France. I’m hurt by the PS. They shouldn’t do that! Let Sarko or some       other jerk do that. But not the PS!! Bootlickers! When you don’t have       pride in your own ideas, you are nobody. They protest at being spied on       but then they give in! I am VERY disillusioned!              – Personally, I expected nothing out of Hollande… and thinking things       over, I believe I have received even less than nothing.              – Tony Blair was Bush’s poodle, does our “socialist” president aspire       to       becoming Obama’s? Is France, home of the Rights of Man, worthy of such       behavior?              – Daddy [Hollande] dances around with mommy Merkel who has no more depth       than he, and [then] bows his head before “Yes We Can” [...]              – Everybody’s ready to pound their fist on the table against the American       spying, and on the other hand, when it comes time to submit, everybody’s       ready to do that, too… What a disgrace for France.              – Our status as a vassal is almost worse than that of the Eastern       European countries relative to the USSR. They were under military       occupation. For Hollande, the servility is in his head.              – Hollande is a socialist. He claims to be a defender of freedoms and of       the oppressed. And he just acted like Washington’s rug.              – I can no longer discern anything socialist in this gang of social       climbers. [...] This head of the government deserves to be on trial for       high treason [...]              – The little clique of social-traitors [wordplay on social-democrats] in       power besmirches the tradition of France as a land of welcome. They’re a       band of diplomatic eunuchs! What a disgrace…              – Hollande had plenty of chances, he wasted them all.              – Hollande: the man who has failed in his rendez-vous with history.              – Excuses are not enough to remedy this offense to President Evo Morales.       It would be appropriate to require the Minister of Foreign Affairs       [Laurent Fabius] to resign.              – It’s pretty obvious that Fabius is taking orders from the U.S…. and if       Snowden had been in the plane, would France have turned over this       idealistic and courageous young man over to Obama’s police?              – If Hollande isn’t responsible, he should exercise his authority and       punish [his subordinates]. If he’s responsible… he should leave. This act       is an insult of all of Latin America and it tarnishes the image of our       country.              – But the problem is, I’m worried that they [Hollande and Fabius] could       care less about France. What they want is power.              – Hollande, resign! Go to the U.S., given that you’re their servant! I’m       ashamed of my country.              – Next everyone will be astonished that the extreme right is attracting       more and more supporters.              – I voted for the socialists. It will probably have been the last time       since I don’t see much of a difference between Nicolas [Sarkozy] and this       guy on anything.              – To think that I’ve always defended Hollande against wind and tides,       even when my wallet suffered as a result. But this is the straw that       breaks the camel’s back. A French socialist that is the United States’       poodle, who would have thought!                     [continued in next message]              --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05        * Origin: you cannot sedate... all the things you hate (1:229/2)    |
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