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   Motoko to matrix29@voyager.net   
   Re: Big O Finale - Whoa, I'm confused   
   08 Apr 04 20:25:40   
   
   XPost: alt.tv.cartoon-network   
   From: ichiashifishu@null.com   
      
   On Wed, 7 Apr 2004 09:03:20 -0400, "George Johnson"   
    wrote:   
      
   >"Motoko"  wrote in message   
   >news:1081333854.31322.0@damia.uk.clara.net...   
   >| I can't obviously go into details of the finale of BiG "O" as I wouldn't   
   >| want to spoilt it for anyone, that may have missed it or still not have   
   >seen   
   >| it . I realise that BiG O actually aired sometime ago in the states and   
   >| probably everywhere else, but here in rainy old England it just finished.   
   >| Normally I pride myself on being able to make sense of the most obscure of   
   >| plots, but I must admit, the last couple of episodes just totally stumped   
   >| me. Not the main Roger Vs. Rosewater and nice big Mechs smacking the   
   >rivets   
   >| out of one another, but the big plot ie: what the hell is going on? Can   
   >| someone put me out of my misery please?   
   >|   
   >| Motoko   
   >   
   >    Short answer:  They went "The Matrix" route and declared their Universe   
   >a computer simulation.  It reset itself at the end and everything went back   
   >to the state that the first episode started with.   
   >   
   >   
   >    They were going an interesting route beforehand with a reality in which   
   >giant robots were used to conquer nations, the surviving children were   
   >bar-coded, minds wiped, and they all became "good tomatoes" by removing them   
   >from the cultures that birthed them.  Whether the memories were supposed to   
   >have been stored elsewhere (I suppose in case something went wrong) when the   
   >surviving kids minds were wiped is uncertain.  Although they yakked on about   
   >the memories, Roger Smith never seemed to understand that memories, physical   
   >appearance, physical abilities, and personality define the human creature   
   >entirely.  Roger Smith seemed to prefer that nobody regain their prior   
   >memories, because he felt the prior culture corrupt (although the culture   
   >that he lived in was just as corrupted).  He also has some distinct   
   >advantages in the current culture as well.   
   >   
   >   
   >    After the last episode I was thinking that they ought to go the   
   >"CREATURES 3" game route and introduce for the 3rd season the potential that   
   >humanity remains as a simulated species on a trip into deep space looking   
   >for another homeworld.  In the "Creatures 3" game, the species is   
   >transported to another world in an organic ship, but the individuals of that   
   >species are highly disposable.  Once educated, the creatures themselves   
   >service the needs of the ship until the individual perishes and thusly   
   >another one is born.  Although not mentioned, I supposed that once the ship   
   >reached a suitable destination and landed safely, the simulated versions of   
   >humanity would spread over this new planet with their personal culture being   
   >slowly adapted during transport to acclimate them for this new existence.   
   >Perhaps even a variation of Greg Egan's "Diaspora" culture where there is a   
   >preservation (or at least a simulation) of a previous culture through   
   >artificial means with a higher level technological simulated universe   
   >encompassing that culture.   
   >   
   >    Website of Greg Egan's "Diaspora" book   
   >http://gregegan.customer.netspace.net.au/DIASPORA/DIASPORA.html   
   >   
   >    Excerpt of Chapter one (note that there is a usage of new possessive   
   >pronouns for the virtual beings in the Metro-"Polis")   
   >http://gregegan.customer.netspace.net.au/DIASPORA/01/Orphanogenesis.html   
   >   
      
   I figured out the simualtion bit, and that in the end, it was at the   
   beginning again. what I couldn't understand was the Big Venus bit, and   
   how Roger recognised it as Angel. I thought that maybe the plot was   
   that everyone had had their memories wiped in order to preserve the   
   peace as perhaps the Megadeuces had nearly destroyed humanity.   
   Big Venus actually appears in one of Rogers flashbacks and appeared to   
   be massive by megadeuce standards, I'm glad of your theories tho, they   
   have helped sooth a troubled mind. :)   
      
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