XPost: ak.forsale, ak.forsale, alt.teen   
   From: ebaysuckss@mail.com   
      
   Subject: Do not use Ebay or Paypal   
      
      
   > This is just my opinion, do your own due diligence   
   > buyers beware   
   >   
   > My opinion is ebay and paypal is full of fraud . Repeat  do not under any   
   > circumstance give your checking account or credit card to these people.   
   > They have figured a way to legitimize  being taken to the cleaners.  They   
   > will , can and do take your money out of your account automatically and   
   > you will be left with : DO NOT REPLY TO THIS EMAIL . Whenever anyone uses   
   > that line DO NOT REPLY TO THIS EMAIL , that should tell you, how often   
   > people needed to do just that and for good reason and couldn't. That's   
   > just one tell tale sign its not if, its when and for how much before your   
   > going to lose on a transaction. In my estimation Ebay is full  of fraud   
   >>> you have to be able to spot all the techniques to spot fraud and trust   
   >>> me there are many things to look for and spot if you are going to risk   
   >>> losing your money on a auction or transaction on Ebay or Paypal.   
   >>> Even if you buy bad item like electronics and you use Paypal Buyer   
   >>> Protection   
   >>> your liable to have to get  it checked out to prove its bad, depending   
   >>> on   
   >>> a totally subjective process that may not be consistent, and  so so far   
   >>> I   
   >>> can't have   
   >>> it checked out for less then $40dollars. Assume it only costs $30   
   >>> dollars   
   >>> though, Paypal certainly doesn't make this policy clear unless you read   
   >>> small print and your automatically going to be out that if you complain   
   >>> ..so ultimately buyer is not protected after shipping even with   
   >>> paypal protection. Without paypal protection your even taking a bigger   
   >>> chance of automatic loss because people who sell and defraud , don't   
   >>> care   
   >>> what happens cause you have little recourse.   
   >>>   
   >>>   
   >>   
   >> that's just the beginning of the rants   
   >> Here is more in case you choose to use ebay or paypal and please listen   
   >> carefully   
   >> lots and lots of fees, before you know it, your goingto be taking a awful   
   >> beating and sabotaging the reason to use ebay in the first place ( sell   
   >> items with chance to get reasonable return)   
   >> When buyer backs out, when auctions go bad, when you get a bad item, what   
   >> auction to bid on, how to get answers, is often a myriad of links. How   
   >> much   
   >> time do you have? Part of it is because ebay and paypal don't want to be   
   >> bothered , cause why should they , if your willing to spend hours doing   
   >> it   
   >> for them, or if you decide to give up , they win .When I   
   >> complained to ebay or paypal they often do what lousy scammers do ; lie   
   >> to   
   >> you ( swear to God paypal representatives just lie to you to get you off   
   >> their backs and each representative tells you something different, and I   
   >> couldn't make this up even if I wanted to,)or   
   >> redirect you to another link. I am sure there are policies in place but   
   >> most   
   >> of it is just winging it.  A large percent of auctions are for bad   
   >> merchandise to some extent or another, and you never are or often won't   
   >> get   
   >> your   
   >> money back unless you use paypal protection and even then paypal often   
   >> just   
   >> takes the money out of sellers or buyers account after many many days.   
   >> Paypal really isn't guaranteeing anything and often  just an uncaring   
   >> middleman like a bookie   
   >>   
   >> Finally don't ever and I repeat this with no uncertain emphasis, don't   
   >> ever   
   >> give paypal your checking account  number or credit card number. They can   
   >> and do automatically take out   
   >> funds from your account. The overall policies affecting complaints in my   
   >> view is based on loose interpretations of what happened. I don't believe   
   >> its   
   >> very objective but sometimes it can't be with the nature of the overall   
   >> process being what it is. I mean anything could be said, from sellers who   
   >> claim they didn't get their items back , to people who say its not the   
   >> same   
   >> item, to people say the seller did whatever and it could go on and on. At   
   >> some point, there is no way to determine who is right or wrong and this   
   >> is   
   >> why more then anything else, the protection programs do not work. Its   
   >> just   
   >> as possible to get ripped off by Paypal siding with scammers as it is   
   >> with   
   >> them siding for what is right. It really does not matter sometimes to   
   >> Paypal   
   >> or ebay its all so subjective. I will repeat this you got to be able to   
   >> spot   
   >> the myriad of different frauds and tactics out there and paypal often   
   >> doesn't do a thing to remove sellers who sold bad merchandise. NOTONCE   
   >> not   
   >> twice , not three times but often hundreds of times. And with these   
   >> people   
   >> your suppose to defend your self each time and take out hours of your   
   >> life?   
   >> NOOO be prepared to have your money taken out of your account with no or   
   >> little recourse. I am repeat , in no way should you ever give paypal your   
   >> credit information or bank account. I learned the hard way..   
   >>   
   >>   
   >>> > On another Note You know who does the best on Ebay?   
   >>> You know who does the best? People who sell tickets to sports events who   
   >>> could not do it legally in front of game or anywhere else. I am not   
   >>> against them I am just   
   >>> showing how ebay and paypal just let things happen that usually you   
   >>> wouldn't have happen anywhere else in legal format and in the end you   
   >>> end up losing .>>   
   >> that's just the beginning of the rants   
   >>   
   >   
   > <> TEll others   
   >> Sure its fun to scan the ads thinking about how great it would be to have   
   >> that item, but chances are if its too good to be true, even if you find   
   >> it thru typing in certain variations of letters in search, the bottom   
   >> line is you end up with hours of heartache, days of waiting to see how   
   >> your complaints are handled, while your money is automatically tied up   
   >> and ultimately, your the one who was fooled.   
   >> ">>   
   >>> If you want something in discount, use a store .   
   >>   
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