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   Don wrote:   
   > "Amy Blankenship"  wrote in message   
   > news:v1juj.91457$_m.78634@bignews4.bellsouth.net...   
   >> "Don"  wrote in message   
   >> news:fpc7ft02lku@news2.newsguy.com...   
   >>> "Kris Krieger"  wrote in message   
   >>> news:13rik1hlcnjs2bb@corp.supernews.com...   
   >>>> "Don"  wrote in   
   >>>> news:fp98p50uff@news5.newsguy.com:   
   >>>>   
   >>>>> "Kris Krieger"  wrote in message   
   >>>>> news:13rfq1qb9h9v7bb@corp.supernews.com...   
   >>>>>> Pat  wrote in   
   >>>>>> news:b198d6e8-07ee-48aa-8915-d48766c375b9@62g2000hsn.googlegroups.com:   
   >>>>>>   
   >>>>>> [ snip ]   
   >>>>>>> For once, I'm on Don's side on a social issue.   
   >>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>> Way too many anti-car folks are VERY urban-centric and think the   
   >>>>>>> world revolves around their lifestyles (more than even Don thinks   
   >>>>>>> the world revolves around him).  They can't look past the concrete   
   >>>>>>> and see the trees.   
   >>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>> I don't give a darn how WW or anyone else get's to work.  Different   
   >>>>>>> strokes for different folks as far as I'm concerned.  But if you   
   >>>>>>> eliminated cars, the option where I live (and where Don lives) is   
   >>>>>>> not taking the subway.  There is not public transportation.  I WISH   
   >>>>>>> there was a bus to take my kid to school so I wouldn't have to   
   >>>>>>> drive.  But there ain't, so I do.  10 miles is a bit of a hike for   
   >>>>>>> him to get there.   
   >>>>>> For me, any time I get on a plane or other transit, I get sick   
   >>>>>> (immune insufficiency).  So, even if there was public transport to   
   >>>>>> the local places   
   >>>>>> I go, I wouldn't use it.  I do think public transit ought to be   
   >>>>>> available -   
   >>>>>> after all, not everyone can *afford* a car (those folks are usually   
   >>>>>> ignored   
   >>>>>> in these discussions).  But I don't think cars should be outlawed -   
   >>>>>> just pared down.   
   >>>>>   
   >>>>> I took my wife to a nice Mexican restaurant for her birthday lunch and   
   >>>>> everything was going along fine until a few people sat down at the   
   >>>>> booth behind us just before we were done with the meal.   
   >>>>> A dood at that booth was hacking and wheezing all over the place and   
   >>>>> making a spectacle of himself and I got fed up with it and we left.   
   >>>>> Whats with these people that are obviously sick but go out in public,   
   >>>>> and to a restaurant of all places, and spew their infectious phlegm   
   >>>>> all over the place?   
   >>>> Maybe because they "don't believe" in science and therefore "don't   
   >>>> believe" in things like bacteria/viruses and infectious diseases...   
   >>>>   
   >>>>> I don't get sick often but when I do the last thing I'd want to do is   
   >>>>> go out in public contaminating others.   
   >>>> IMO, that's considerate and civilized - what I always hated was the   
   >>>> idiots who came into work no mater how sick they were, boasted about   
   >>>> "never taking sick days" - and made the whole dang dicision sick (one   
   >>>> big   
   >>>> room with partial dividers, 73 people...)  A-holes...   
   >>>>   
   >>>>> Hell, all I wanna do when sick is lounge on the couch and force   
   >>>>> liquids. I've heard that sneezing and coughing expells germs 10' or   
   >>>>> more.   
   >>>> If uncovered, yup.  Not to mention that the flu virus, and some other   
   >>>> infections agents, can survive for quite a while on surfaces.  The other   
   >>>> "fun" one is when people drag their sick kids all over the place.   
   >>>> Yeesh.   
   >>>>   
   >>>> I shouldn't get started on that - it's a pet peeve of mine.   
   >>> When our son was in the public indoctrination system he was sick all the   
   >>> time.   
   >>> He'd get over one cold then another would loom.   
   >>> What does this do to a person's immune sytem over the long haul?   
   >>> We started homeschooling him at age 12 and he rarely got sick anymore.   
   >>> Same with my wife, she worked in a place like you mentioned where sick   
   >>> people would go to work and brag about being sick yet still going to   
   >>> work.   
   >>> She had a can of Lysol in her desk and she'd wipe down the door handles   
   >>> etc. on a daily basis and avoid using the bathroom until it hurt.   
   >>> Like our son, once she started her own biz her illnesses dropped off   
   >>> dramatically.   
   >>> To this day, as soon as we come back from a store like walmart or the   
   >>> grocery store we automatically wash our hands before touching anything   
   >>> else in the house.   
   >>> Shooping cart handles are some of the nastiest things on the planet.   
   >>> If its real cold outside its best to grab a cart out of the parking lot   
   >>> that been sitting for awhile and the germs will be dead.   
   >>> In the summer, well, you're fukt.   
    >>   
   >> Why are you complaining about other people who are not concerned about   
   >> your air quality?  I don't get it...   
   >   
   > I don't get what you're complaining about.   
      
   I think Amy's "saying" that you don't exist in a vacuum, or that you   
   exist within a vacuum-cleaner. :D   
      
   But whatever she's saying, from what I understand about immunology or   
   epidemiology, exposure to germs is important to maintaining a healthy,   
   vital immune system.   
   History is full of examples of newcomers killing the natives simply by   
   their germs they carried that the natives were not adequately resistant   
   to. I very recently heard of one case where it may have worked in reverse.   
      
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