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   "Edgar"  wrote in message   
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   >> "Edgar"  wrote in message   
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   >>>> "Edgar"  wrote in message   
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   >>>>>> The word *success* has been redfined:   
   >>>>>>   
   >>>>>> 1) Spend hundreds of millions of dollars putting a *spy satellite*   
   >>>>>> that doesn't work into outer space   
   >>>>>>   
   >>>>>> 2) Spend tens of millions more shooting it down so that it   
   >>>>>> (hopefully) doesn't kill too many people and poison the earth when it   
   >>>>>> crashes   
   >>>>>>   
   >>>>>> 3) Use the debacle to make your case for even more Pentagon funding   
   >>>>>> for a bigger and better satellite that you promise will work this   
   >>>>>> time.   
   >>>>>>   
   >>>>>   
   >>>>> On the other hand, in the private sector, the ONLY measure of success   
   >>>>> is dollars and cents, no matter how you make it, no matter what gets   
   >>>>> destroyed, no matter how many people are killed.  One thing is for   
   >>>>> sure, the right answer hasn't been found yet, certainly not by   
   >>>>> governments, certainly not by the free market.   
   >>>>   
   >>>> How many companies in the private sector have launched failed   
   >>>> satellites and then shot them down, and then used that for a marketing   
   >>>> strategy, and did it all with stolen money?   
   >>>> You can live quite nicely without a gov't but you won't live very long   
   >>>> at all without a free market.   
   >>>>   
   >>>>   
   >>>   
   >>> The whole stolen money premise is your own whine, you can keep that, I   
   >>> don't and never will buy it.  In fact I just voted to raise my property   
   >>> tax in order to pass a bond that will help build more schools.   
   >>   
   >> No you didn't.   
   >> If you wanted the schools to have more of your money you would simply   
   >> given it to them and been done with it.   
   >>   
   >> What you did was far more despicable, criminal.   
   >> You decided to ask thugs to steal even more money from your friends,   
   >> family and neighbors.   
   >> You're a helluva person Edgar.   
   >> Any other major character flaws you'd like to broadcast in a public   
   >> forum?   
   >>   
   >   
   > The fact of the matter is I never forced anyone to live in this city, I   
   > never forced anyone to vote a certain way, and a never forced anyone not   
   > to vote.  This is one of those things where if you don't fucking like it,   
   > fucking leave.  There are rules and laws and procedures set in place to   
   > keep this city running as it is, if you don't like it, leave.  NOBODY is   
   > forcing you to stay.  That means this city, that means this country.  I   
   > suggest you actually take Chris' advice and make your own country with   
   > whatever the hell it is you want, and leave this one alone.  The entire   
   > country was founded on the principle of power to the people, so if you   
   > don't like it shove off already.   
   >   
   >>> More taxes for me   
   >>> personally, yet more work in my sector, and many other sectors.  A case   
   >>> of a leftists doing as he says, oh no, what is the world coming to!   
   >>   
   >>   
   >> Google the *broken window* theory.   
   >> Gov't never creates jobs for they have none to create.   
   >> A gov't steals from one and gives to another after lopping off a big   
   >> chunk for itself.   
   >>   
   >>   
   >   
   > The whole of existence is using limited resources to survive.  If you want   
   > to talk about stealing, then be honest about it and say the whole of   
   > existence is stealing from one person to give to another.  The "broken   
   > window" theory has implications for all of society not just for what the   
   > government does.  Any work you do today is taking limited resources from   
   > someone else, and the only defining factor between who owns the limited   
   > resource is who has the most guns and who has the most money, and these   
   > are far from equalizing factors.  Who had the land you own now before it   
   > became a part of the US?  Why not give it back to them.  Your entire   
   > argument HINGES ont he fact that the United States has already done the   
   > hard backbreaking work for you, now you want to throw it away BUT keep   
   > what you already have.  That's utter crap.   
   >   
   > Again the whole stealing nonsense is your own whine and I don't buy it,   
   > and I never will.  Every single one of your premises hangs solely on   
   > buying that crap argument, and nobody is buying.  So keep whining.   
   >   
   >   
   >>   
   >>   
   >>> And if you want me to find a company who did exactly what the pentagon   
   >>> did, I won't find it, and it's a stupid question to have me look for   
   >>> one. OTOH, I can name several companies that moved jobs from the US to   
   >>> save a buck, or that polluted the shit out of some environment such that   
   >>> it is unlivable again, or that took the pensions of many many people by   
   >>> lying, or that didn't pay workers their due overtime, yet sold millions   
   >>> of copies of their doodads that said workers were doing overtime for.   
   >>>   
   >>> How bout one of the biggest clusterfucks of all time?  How bout a   
   >>> company that controls the entire market of doodads, lets the middlemen   
   >>> only buy limited quantities, thus raising a false demand, and when   
   >>> another company happens to start making said doodad, floods the market   
   >>> so the smaller company is forced to sell to them because there is very   
   >>> little demand, all the while using practically slave labor to find said   
   >>> doodads.  And in the end the market the doodads as one of the biggest   
   >>> lies of all.  Oh one more thing...all out of the control of most   
   >>> governments.  I made it easy enough to know who I am talking about but   
   >>> I'll let you stew if you don't. This company would surely like to have   
   >>> you on their side, shouting for a "free market!"  Sorry I couldn't   
   >>   
   >> Gates doesn't make much money off me, probably less than $500 over 14   
   >> years, thanks entirely to the free market.   
   >>   
   >   
   > Not even close.  Microsoft at least has competition, though their just   
   > barely making inroads against utter crap like Vista.   
   >   
   > No, the company I speak of has zero competition.   
   >   
   >>> Last thing I'd like to know, is when has it ever, EVER been shown that   
   >>> you could live quite nicely without government?   
   >>   
   >> Come on down, er over, and I'll give you a real time, live,   
   >> demonstration.   
   >> All expenses paid, except for the transportation here and back of course.   
   >>   
   >   
   > Sorry but your far from being government free, try again.  Every thing you   
   > have now is as a result of something somebody in the country did to get us   
   > where we are.  In your case it was probably our government stealing and   
   > lying to take land that was originally Native American.  It also took the   
      
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