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   "Edgar"  wrote in message   
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   > You know what I really wish, people would read posts fully before   
   > replying. Something Don never seems to do and by that fact completely   
   > misunderstands or misrepresents whole parts of what I wrote.   
   >   
   > "Don"  wrote in message   
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   >> "Edgar"  wrote in message   
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   >>> "Don"  wrote in message   
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   >>>> "Edgar"  wrote in message   
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   >>>>> "Don"  wrote in message   
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   >>>>>> "Edgar"  wrote in message   
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   >>>>>>> "Don"  wrote in message   
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   >>>>>>>> The word *success* has been redfined:   
   >>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>> 1) Spend hundreds of millions of dollars putting a *spy satellite*   
   >>>>>>>> that doesn't work into outer space   
   >>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>> 2) Spend tens of millions more shooting it down so that it   
   >>>>>>>> (hopefully) doesn't kill too many people and poison the earth when   
   >>>>>>>> it crashes   
   >>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>> 3) Use the debacle to make your case for even more Pentagon funding   
   >>>>>>>> for a bigger and better satellite that you promise will work this   
   >>>>>>>> time.   
   >>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>> On the other hand, in the private sector, the ONLY measure of   
   >>>>>>> success is dollars and cents, no matter how you make it, no matter   
   >>>>>>> what gets destroyed, no matter how many people are killed.  One   
   >>>>>>> thing is for sure, the right answer hasn't been found yet, certainly   
   >>>>>>> not by governments, certainly not by the free market.   
   >>>>>>   
   >>>>>> How many companies in the private sector have launched failed   
   >>>>>> satellites and then shot them down, and then used that for a   
   >>>>>> marketing strategy, and did it all with stolen money?   
   >>>>>> You can live quite nicely without a gov't but you won't live very   
   >>>>>> long at all without a free market.   
   >>>>>>   
   >>>>>>   
   >>>>>   
   >>>>> The whole stolen money premise is your own whine, you can keep that, I   
   >>>>> don't and never will buy it.  In fact I just voted to raise my   
   >>>>> property tax in order to pass a bond that will help build more   
   >>>>> schools.   
   >>>>   
   >>>> No you didn't.   
   >>>> If you wanted the schools to have more of your money you would simply   
   >>>> given it to them and been done with it.   
   >>>>   
   >>>> What you did was far more despicable, criminal.   
   >>>> You decided to ask thugs to steal even more money from your friends,   
   >>>> family and neighbors.   
   >>>> You're a helluva person Edgar.   
   >>>> Any other major character flaws you'd like to broadcast in a public   
   >>>> forum?   
   >>>>   
   >>>   
   >>> The fact of the matter is I never forced anyone to live in this city, I   
   >>> never forced anyone to vote a certain way, and a never forced anyone not   
   >>> to vote.  This is one of those things where if you don't fucking like   
   >>> it, fucking leave.  There are rules and laws and procedures set in place   
   >>> to keep this city running as it is, if you don't like it, leave.  NOBODY   
   >>> is forcing you to stay.  That means this city, that means this country.   
   >>> I suggest you actually take Chris' advice and make your own country with   
   >>> whatever the hell it is you want, and leave this one alone.  The entire   
   >>> country was founded on the principle of power to the people, so if you   
   >>> don't like it shove off already.   
   >>>   
   >>>>> More taxes for me   
   >>>>> personally, yet more work in my sector, and many other sectors.  A   
   >>>>> case of a leftists doing as he says, oh no, what is the world coming   
   >>>>> to!   
   >>>>   
   >>>>   
   >>>> Google the *broken window* theory.   
   >>>> Gov't never creates jobs for they have none to create.   
   >>>> A gov't steals from one and gives to another after lopping off a big   
   >>>> chunk for itself.   
   >>>>   
   >>>>   
   >>>   
   >>> The whole of existence is using limited resources to survive.  If you   
   >>> want to talk about stealing, then be honest about it and say the whole   
   >>> of existence is stealing from one person to give to another.  The   
   >>> "broken window" theory has implications for all of society not just for   
   >>> what the government does.  Any work you do today is taking limited   
   >>> resources from someone else, and the only defining factor between who   
   >>> owns the limited resource is who has the most guns and who has the most   
   >>> money, and these are far from equalizing factors.  Who had the land you   
   >>> own now before it became a part of the US?  Why not give it back to   
   >>> them.  Your entire argument HINGES ont he fact that the United States   
   >>> has already done the hard backbreaking work for you, now you want to   
   >>> throw it away BUT keep what you already have.  That's utter crap.   
   >>>   
   >>> Again the whole stealing nonsense is your own whine and I don't buy it,   
   >>> and I never will.  Every single one of your premises hangs solely on   
   >>> buying that crap argument, and nobody is buying.  So keep whining.   
   >>>   
   >>>   
   >>>>   
   >>>>   
   >>>>> And if you want me to find a company who did exactly what the pentagon   
   >>>>> did, I won't find it, and it's a stupid question to have me look for   
   >>>>> one. OTOH, I can name several companies that moved jobs from the US to   
   >>>>> save a buck, or that polluted the shit out of some environment such   
   >>>>> that it is unlivable again, or that took the pensions of many many   
   >>>>> people by lying, or that didn't pay workers their due overtime, yet   
   >>>>> sold millions of copies of their doodads that said workers were doing   
   >>>>> overtime for.   
   >>>>>   
   >>>>> How bout one of the biggest clusterfucks of all time?  How bout a   
   >>>>> company that controls the entire market of doodads, lets the middlemen   
   >>>>> only buy limited quantities, thus raising a false demand, and when   
   >>>>> another company happens to start making said doodad, floods the market   
   >>>>> so the smaller company is forced to sell to them because there is very   
   >>>>> little demand, all the while using practically slave labor to find   
   >>>>> said doodads.  And in the end the market the doodads as one of the   
   >>>>> biggest lies of all.  Oh one more thing...all out of the control of   
   >>>>> most governments.  I made it easy enough to know who I am talking   
   >>>>> about but I'll let you stew if you don't. This company would surely   
   >>>>> like to have you on their side, shouting for a "free market!"  Sorry I   
   >>>>> couldn't   
   >>>>   
   >>>> Gates doesn't make much money off me, probably less than $500 over 14   
   >>>> years, thanks entirely to the free market.   
   >>>>   
   >>>   
   >>> Not even close.  Microsoft at least has competition, though their just   
      
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