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   >>>> You know what I really wish, people would read posts fully before   
   >>>> replying. Something Don never seems to do and by that fact completely   
   >>>> misunderstands or misrepresents whole parts of what I wrote.   
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   >>>>>>>>>>> The word *success* has been redfined:   
   >>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>> 1) Spend hundreds of millions of dollars putting a *spy   
   >>>>>>>>>>> satellite* that doesn't work into outer space   
   >>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>> 2) Spend tens of millions more shooting it down so that it   
   >>>>>>>>>>> (hopefully) doesn't kill too many people and poison the earth   
   >>>>>>>>>>> when it crashes   
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   >>>>>>>>>>> 3) Use the debacle to make your case for even more Pentagon   
   >>>>>>>>>>> funding for a bigger and better satellite that you promise will   
   >>>>>>>>>>> work this time.   
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   >>>>>>>>>> On the other hand, in the private sector, the ONLY measure of   
   >>>>>>>>>> success is dollars and cents, no matter how you make it, no   
   >>>>>>>>>> matter what gets destroyed, no matter how many people are killed.   
   >>>>>>>>>> One thing is for sure, the right answer hasn't been found yet,   
   >>>>>>>>>> certainly not by governments, certainly not by the free market.   
   >>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>> How many companies in the private sector have launched failed   
   >>>>>>>>> satellites and then shot them down, and then used that for a   
   >>>>>>>>> marketing strategy, and did it all with stolen money?   
   >>>>>>>>> You can live quite nicely without a gov't but you won't live very   
   >>>>>>>>> long at all without a free market.   
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   >>>>>>>> The whole stolen money premise is your own whine, you can keep   
   >>>>>>>> that, I don't and never will buy it.  In fact I just voted to raise   
   >>>>>>>> my property tax in order to pass a bond that will help build more   
   >>>>>>>> schools.   
   >>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>> No you didn't.   
   >>>>>>> If you wanted the schools to have more of your money you would   
   >>>>>>> simply given it to them and been done with it.   
   >>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>> What you did was far more despicable, criminal.   
   >>>>>>> You decided to ask thugs to steal even more money from your friends,   
   >>>>>>> family and neighbors.   
   >>>>>>> You're a helluva person Edgar.   
   >>>>>>> Any other major character flaws you'd like to broadcast in a public   
   >>>>>>> forum?   
   >>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>   
   >>>>>> The fact of the matter is I never forced anyone to live in this city,   
   >>>>>> I never forced anyone to vote a certain way, and a never forced   
   >>>>>> anyone not to vote.  This is one of those things where if you don't   
   >>>>>> fucking like it, fucking leave.  There are rules and laws and   
   >>>>>> procedures set in place to keep this city running as it is, if you   
   >>>>>> don't like it, leave. NOBODY is forcing you to stay.  That means this   
   >>>>>> city, that means this country. I suggest you actually take Chris'   
   >>>>>> advice and make your own country with whatever the hell it is you   
   >>>>>> want, and leave this one alone.  The entire country was founded on   
   >>>>>> the principle of power to the people, so if you don't like it shove   
   >>>>>> off already.   
   >>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>> More taxes for me   
   >>>>>>>> personally, yet more work in my sector, and many other sectors.  A   
   >>>>>>>> case of a leftists doing as he says, oh no, what is the world   
   >>>>>>>> coming to!   
   >>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>> Google the *broken window* theory.   
   >>>>>>> Gov't never creates jobs for they have none to create.   
   >>>>>>> A gov't steals from one and gives to another after lopping off a big   
   >>>>>>> chunk for itself.   
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   >>>>>> The whole of existence is using limited resources to survive.  If you   
   >>>>>> want to talk about stealing, then be honest about it and say the   
   >>>>>> whole of existence is stealing from one person to give to another.   
   >>>>>> The "broken window" theory has implications for all of society not   
   >>>>>> just for what the government does.  Any work you do today is taking   
   >>>>>> limited resources from someone else, and the only defining factor   
   >>>>>> between who owns the limited resource is who has the most guns and   
   >>>>>> who has the most money, and these are far from equalizing factors.   
   >>>>>> Who had the land you own now before it became a part of the US?  Why   
   >>>>>> not give it back to them.  Your entire argument HINGES ont he fact   
   >>>>>> that the United States has already done the hard backbreaking work   
   >>>>>> for you, now you want to throw it away BUT keep what you already   
   >>>>>> have.  That's utter crap.   
   >>>>>>   
   >>>>>> Again the whole stealing nonsense is your own whine and I don't buy   
   >>>>>> it, and I never will.  Every single one of your premises hangs solely   
   >>>>>> on buying that crap argument, and nobody is buying.  So keep whining.   
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   >>>>>>>> And if you want me to find a company who did exactly what the   
   >>>>>>>> pentagon did, I won't find it, and it's a stupid question to have   
   >>>>>>>> me look for one. OTOH, I can name several companies that moved jobs   
   >>>>>>>> from the US to save a buck, or that polluted the shit out of some   
   >>>>>>>> environment such that it is unlivable again, or that took the   
   >>>>>>>> pensions of many many people by lying, or that didn't pay workers   
   >>>>>>>> their due overtime, yet sold millions of copies of their doodads   
   >>>>>>>> that said workers were doing overtime for.   
   >>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>> How bout one of the biggest clusterfucks of all time?  How bout a   
   >>>>>>>> company that controls the entire market of doodads, lets the   
   >>>>>>>> middlemen only buy limited quantities, thus raising a false demand,   
   >>>>>>>> and when another company happens to start making said doodad,   
   >>>>>>>> floods the market so the smaller company is forced to sell to them   
      
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