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   "Kris Krieger"  wrote in message   
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   >>>>>> "Edgar"  wrote in message   
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   >>>>>>> [Snipped crap]   
   >>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>> As I should have known from the start, there's no reason to   
   >>>>>>> bother trying to "debate" with such a close minded individual,   
   >>>>>>> when they focus on one thing and ignore the rest of what you took   
   >>>>>>> time to write.   
   >>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>> Simple as this you close minded freak, we here in this city have   
   >>>>>>> CHOSEN to live our lives this way, simply by the fact of LIVING   
   >>>>>>> here.  Whether you think we are stealing or not doesn't make it a   
   >>>>>>> fact, because it has NOTHING to do with your dictionary   
   >>>>>>> definition.   
   >>>>>>   
   >>>>>> Well there ya go.   
   >>>>>> You're right about the *close minded* part Edgar, about you.   
   >>>>>> You just completely ignore a dictionary reference and suddenly   
   >>>>>> your thought process is correct.   
   >>>>>> To you.   
   >>>>>>   
   >>>>>   
   >>>>> Um, no, to the UNITED STATES CONSTITUTION.  It was here from the   
   >>>>> beginning before any one of us were even a twinkle in someones eye.   
   >>>>> Just because you don't like it now that it affects you negatively,   
   >>>>> though before it helped make you what you are, is pure hypocrisy.   
   >>>>> Like I said, give your land back tot he Indians if you feel so   
   >>>>> strongly about it.   
   >>>>>   
   >>>>>> The next time you hear of a new tax being levied or an old one   
   >>>>>> being raised just remember that there are other people out there   
   >>>>>> just like you that have suspended the dictionary reference and   
   >>>>>> they too have the *right* to have more money stolen from you.   
   >>>>>   
   >>>>> It's called staying in the US and following it's constitution,   
   >>>>> there is no need to suspend any defenitions.  Let me help you out   
   >>>>> here:   
   >>>>>   
   >>>>> Steal - (from dictionary.com and Oxford online)   
   >>>>>   
   >>>>> -take without owners consent (you consent by living int he United   
   >>>>> States and living and following the Constitution)   
   >>>>>   
   >>>>> -to take (the property of another or others) without permission or   
   >>>>> right, esp. secretly or by force  (nobody is forcing you to stay   
   >>>>> here)   
   >>>>>   
   >>>>> -to appropriate (ideas, credit, words, etc.) without right or   
   >>>>> acknowledgment. (the government is acknowledge to be a government   
   >>>>> of, by, and for the people)   
   >>>>>   
   >>>>> -take (something) without permission or legal right and without   
   >>>>> intending to return it.  (again you give permission by living under   
   >>>>> the constitution and what you get in return is everything provided   
   >>>>> by the government)   
   >>>>>   
   >>>>> By defenition you concede to the constitution and abide by it BY   
   >>>>> LIVING IN THE UNITED STATES, thus if you don't concede to pay   
   >>>>> taxes, then leave already, see how the argument for you to get your   
   >>>>> ass out of the US abides directly with the defenition, and the U.S.   
   >>>>> constitution.  In return you get everything provided by the   
   >>>>> government and everything needed to make it run.   
   >>>>>   
   >>>>>> Just one question.   
   >>>>>> What are you folks gonna do when you choose to have ALL of your   
   >>>>>> money stolen?  LOL   
   >>>>>   
   >>>>> If someone chooses to give everything they make as taxes, and by   
   >>>>> doing it, get's in return a roof over there head, food for life,   
   >>>>> health care at any time any place for anything, and safety from   
   >>>>> persecution and intimidation of any kind...if they choose this and   
   >>>>> choose it as a sole individual, and as an individual amongst other   
   >>>>> individual, what business of yours is it what the fuck they do?   
   >>>>> Don't like it, make sure you don't live amongst them.   
   >>>>   
   >>>> That *goddamn piece of paper* is mainly ignored by the very body   
   >>>> sworn to uphold it Edgar.   
   >>>   
   >>> I don't think that language is necessary.   
   >>   
   >> The words within the asterix were quotes from George Bush, and are   
   >> found everywhere on the web.   
   >   
   > !!!OH!!!   
   >   
   > I actually was not aware of that.  ((Good idea to add comment "as Geo the   
   > Shrub sez..." or similar...))   
   >   
   >> My preferred reference is *parchment under glass*.   
   >>   
   >>   
   >> If nthing else, as much as you   
   >>> loathe gov.t, it's the attempt by people to adhere to the principles   
   >>> of the US Constitution that keep you from having your head lopped off   
   >>> for denouncing the gov.t.   
   >>   
   >> ???   
   >> The thugs can, and do, descend on innocent people everyday, ignoring   
   >> that parchment under glass, and create harm and mayhem while the very   
   >> people sworn to uphold that document flat out ignore it.   
   >   
   > I know.   
   >   
   >> Don't hold me to a higher standard than people hired and entrusted   
   >> with adhering to that covenant.   
   >   
   > I hold myself to a higher standard, and therefore also tend to treat   
   > certain others as at least equal to, and foten better then, myself.  SO,   
   > yes, I do tend to hold people to high standards, but only when I think   
   > they deserve to be, becasue they are capable of beign so regarded/held,   
   > if that makes sense.   
   >   
   >   
   >> Liberty and rights may be inalienable, but if  a   
   >>> bunch of fanatics with guns are telling people to obey or die, the   
   >>> entire argument is meaningless, esp. if you get shot merely for   
   >>> having it - an argument in your own mind isn't an argument, it's a   
   >>> thought, and here, we still have th eright to express out thoughts,   
   >>> largely because poepl e*have* tried to stick at least *somewhat*   
   >>> close to the principles espoused by the Declaration of Independence   
   >>> and the Constitution.   
   >>>   
   >>> SO kindly speak for yourself - you may despise it, but to me, and   
   >>> many other poele, it's more than "just a piece of paper".   
   >>   
   >> That and $6 will get you a latte at Starbucks.   
   >   
   > Maybe so, but nevertheless, I have a certain system of ethics and beleifs   
   > based thereupon, and, insofar as gov.t exists, I believe it should be   
   > minimal and ethical, and the closest thing that comes to being so is   
   > outlined in the Constitution.   
   >   
   > No, a lot of people don't follow it, just as a lot fo self-proclaimed   
   > "Christians" day things that are in direct contradiction to what Jesus   
   > said/taught, and just as many "holier than thou" types act is way sthat   
   > are in no way whatsoever in keeping with teh Ten Commandments (actually   
   > twelve but that's a different topic).   
   >   
   > My ethics and beleifs are things I arrived at through a lot fo thinking   
      
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