From: glomerol@yahoo.ca   
      
   On Wednesday, July 18, 2012 2:31:21 AM UTC-3, Beauvine wrote:   
   > Warm Worm  wrote in   
   > (edited) ...in either case, they all get smashed and ground into    
   > the dirt of pay-to-play politics.   
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   > > I'm inclined to agree.   
   >    
   > > This whole "civilization" is a disaster unfolding before our very   
   > > eyes, at least the eyes that see.   
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   >    
   > Yup.  It's a bit depressing in a way, but I try to keep my hopes up that     
   > young people will come up with somethng better.    
      
   In a recent KunstlerCast episode, some kind of named effect is mentioned that   
   states that after a generation or two, some things are forgotten, and the   
   process repeats itself. I think it would be worth looking up the term,   
   especially what it might say to    
   old tribal folklore and myth that has some kinds of important truth or   
   knowledge built in. Remind me to look the term up.   
      
   > Meanwhile, I feel great    
   > annoyance with most of the people who are supposedly my "peers" - people    
   > around my age, give or take - because so many are dreamless misers    
   > clutching the rusty parts of a broken machine that never worked all that    
   > well to begin with.   
   >    
   > Too many are trying to make everything regress, based on their faulty    
   > memories of some "golden age" that never existed for the vast majority of    
   > people.  These "peers" have rusted minds - rusted shut!     
   >    
   > I don't find it comforting to look longingly backwards.  What's past is    
   > past - some things are lost, some things are gained, the overall pattern    
   > remains recognizable but the details morph, shift, change color.  That is    
   > *life*, and it's what I want to relish: I want to look forwards, with hope,    
   > and with excitement about new things to create and do and learn. I have no     
   > patience for poeple who are trying to drag everythign, and everyone,    
   > backwards, obsessed with some delusion that they can regain whatever they    
   > think they lost by pasing from childhood to adulthood.  They're so deluded    
   > that they can't comprehend the fact that the past can only be mimiced,    
   > never "revived".     
      
   Reminded of the expression, 'History is not symmetrical.'.   
      
   > Maybe I watched too much "SciFi" in my life, but I think it's exciting to     
   > figure out ways to build a sustainable future:  sustainable farming,    
   > sustainable living, sustainable energy, sustainable economy, sustainable    
   > population.     
      
   Totally! But the past does have something to say about it, if not as a   
   complete replication. Many old ways were good ways. Tried, true and tested.   
      
   > > Apparently, many seem to think that this year's going to be another   
   > > bump down to the next stairstep of what JHKunstler calls The Long   
   > > Emergency.   
   >    
   > Quite probably.  OTOH, if people stopped trying to recreate the past, and    
   > instead put their energies into improving the prospects for the future, we    
   > could do OK overall.  But nope, too many are so afraid of *living* that    
   > they just keep repeating incantations over the same old bones, hoping that    
   > the things wich dies will be magically refleshed and revived.  Reanimated.     
   > Like in some creepy movie or Twilight Zone episode.   
       
   Sure, but I mean, you have to do something, to participate in something you   
   think will help contribute to the kinds of changes that make sense, yes?   
      
      
   > > ...So what is this? An impromptu reunion? Shall I call out for pizza?   
   >     
   > Heh!  =;-)   
      
   The pizza place just down the street from me caught fire and sustained some   
   damage. We will have to learn to bake our own. Like the ol daze. Oh dear. ;)   
      
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