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|    WillDockery to mpsilvertoneyah    |
|    Re: George Dance on Smoking    |
|    16 Dec 25 23:08:23    |
      From: noreply@pugleaf.net.invalid              On Tue, 16 Dec 2025 17:55:26 -0500, mpsilvertoneyah wrote:              > Will Dockery wrote:       > > On Tue, 16 Dec 2025 17:31:28 -0000 (UTC), Cujo DeSockpuppe wrote:       > >> mpsilvertone@yahoo-dot-com.no-spam.invalid (HarryLime) wrote       innews:B4SdnVPXPMrd5dz0nZ2dnZfqn_idnZ2d@giganews.com:       > >> Will Dockery wrote:       > >> Edward Rochester Esq. wrote:       >       > >> Smokin’       > >> June 10, 2008 by George J. Dance Leave a Comment       > >>       > >> To smokers like me, anti-smoking legislation is a serious threat to       > >> our personal liberty and property rights. A prime example is the old       > >> Toronto bylaw banning smoking in restaurants. That law died quickly       > >> in the face of public and media criticism, restaurateur lobbying,       > >> and widespread civil disobedience, but is being revived under the       > >> new megacity's bylaw consolidation process.       > >>       > >> No-smoking bylaws rest on the rationale that ETS (Environmental       > >> Tobacco Smoke, or “second-hand smoke”) is a threat to       > >> nonsmokers. A typical claim is the oft-repeated one that ETS causes       > >> more than 3,000 cases of lung cancer per year in the United States "       > >> a claim that originated with a 1992 summary report by the US       > >> Environmental Protection Agency (EPA).       > >>       > >> That report has often been challenged. Critics have charged the EPA       > >> with violating scientific procedure, and manipulating and       > >> suppressing data, to reach a prejudged conclusion. This past July       > >> [1998], Judge Osteen of North Carolina's Middle Court agreed, ruling       > >> that the EPA had acted unscientifically and therefore illegally       > >> under its mandate, and ordered the report nullified.       > >>       > >> The Osteen decision, and the evidence on which it was based, are       > >> dealt with in a new book from Vancouver's Fraser Institute, Passive       > >> Smoke: The EPA's Betrayal of Science and Policy. In a clear and       > >> readable style the authors, biologist Gio Gori and philosopher John       > >> Luik, make a convincing case that the EPA report was “corrupt       > >> science” and dangerous for public policy.       > >>       > >> Smokers in particular will welcome the scientific discussion. The       > >> authors give all the details of how the EPA misrepresented research       > >> data, cherry-picking supportive studies and suppressing unfavourable       > >> ones. But they do much more. They explain why such studies are       > >> never, and can never, be scientific.       > >>       > >> They then review the known scientific facts about ETS to show that       > >> “smokers cannot be accused of posing a significant risk to       > >> non-smokers” . The argument that smoking endangers others       > >> collapses, and with it the case for governments' involvement.       > >>       > >> Non-smokers, too, will appreciate the public policy chapters. The       > >> authors present a chilling portrait of a government agency engaging       > >> in deceit to further its own political agenda, and of the threat       > >> that agenda poses to “the democratic values of autonomy,       > >> diversity, and respect”.       > >>       > >> The myth of the impartial bureaucracy, serving only the public good,       > >> dies hard. The facts presented in Passive Smoke are a welcome new       > >> nail in the coffin.       > >>       > >> [reprinted from Libertarian Bulletin, 19:3 (Spring 1999)]       > >>       > >> Has his stanch changed today?       > >>       > >> Speaking of 'nail in the coffin'       > >> the proof is in the pudding       > >>       > >> The old smoking debate.       > >>       > >> But why are you reposting an Off-Topic rant over a Canuckian law that       > >> was passed 26 years ago?       > >>       > >> It should never have been posted to this group in the first place.       > >>       > >> I'm baffled as well.       >       > > Look at the start of the thread, the original post was by Jim Senetto.       >       > I have looked              Obviously.              --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05        * Origin: you cannot sedate... all the things you hate (1:229/2)    |
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