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   You can nit-pick about your actual words all you like, but the meaning came   
   across loud and clear.   
      
      
   >   
   > MMP: I still can't believe that anyone, even you, could be such a despicable   
   piece of sh*t to do something that nasty... but nevertheless, you did it.   
   >   
      
      
      
   DUNCE: Funny, I don't think even your misrepresentation is in the same league   
   as   
   telling someone else to leave AAPC or you'd post a story -   
   or maybe it was a "poem" - all over the web that he'd raped his preteen nephew.   
   I think you should shut your mouth about "nastiness" and keep it shut.   
      
   MMP: Jordy's Uncle is a troll and I am a Troll Buster.  It's what I do.   
      
   Anyway, I sincerely doubt that I made any such threat.   
      
   More likely, I informed Jordy's Uncle that the Jordy poem (an ongoing,   
   multi-authored work similar to "Ode to My Slurp-puppet") was appearing on the   
   internet where Jordy (the nephew) and his friends and family could see it, and   
   that if Jordy's Uncle    
   cared at all for his Nephew, he'd stop trolling us with his insipid "Hello"   
   posts, in hope that the Jordy poems would stop.   
      
   But, whatever.  Regardless of whether I directly threatened him, I most   
   certainly *should* have.   
      
   DUNCE: Robert probably demanded his poems come down simply because he saw   
   others doing it.   
      
   MMP: Robert expressed his thoughts about you after you'd made the post   
   insinuating that he was going to die from his bone marrow transplant.   
      
   Suffice to say that the man thinks you're a big a p.o.s. as I do.   
      
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   >   
   >>   
   >> >MMP:  Apologize to Jim, Corey, Robert, myself ( and anyone else you may   
   have   
   >> pulled the same nonsense with )   
   >>   
   >   
   >   
   > DUNCE: If any of Jim, Corey, or Robert want to talk to me, they have my   
   email; they   
   > can write to me and we'll discuss it. Until then, they are banned and their   
   > poetry will not appear on PPB; while the poems they submitted to /April/ can   
   > still be read there (while their poems, and even their names, do not appear   
   > on the blog).   
   >   
   > MMP: So you've still got their stolen poetry on your blaaargh?   
   >   
   >>   
   >>   
   >> DUNCE: What part of "their poems ... do not appear on the blog" are you   
   having   
   >> trouble understanding, Peabrain?   
   >>   
   >> MMP: This part: "the poems they submitted to /April/ can   
   >> still be read there."   
   >>   
   >>   
   >>>   
   >>> MMP: You're an even bigger p.o.s. than I thought.   
   >>> I hope they have your blaargh of plagiarized poetry pulled off the   
   internet for good!   
   >>>   
   >>   
   >>   
   >>   
   >>>   
   >>> DUNCE: (Parenthetically, I have to admit that I do feel sorry for those   
   three stooges.   
   >>> Like all the other poets on PPB, they were happy for years with having   
   their   
   >>> poetry on the blog, where thousands could read them. But HarryLiar   
   convinced   
   >>> them they had to take it all down and give it to him to protect it. Because   
   >>> they listened to him, their PPB poems are now "safe" on /AYoS/: still not   
   paid   
   >>> for, still unpublishable elsewhere, but now unread as well.)   
   >>>   
   >>> MMP: Why do you lie so much, Dunce?   
   >>> AYoS only stays in print for a month, after which the electronic issue is   
   deleted.   
   >>>   
   >>   
   >>   
   >> DUNCE: Your monthly weboage, where you print everything from your webpage -   
   >> regardless of quality and without even asking permission - is stealing from   
   >> the writers: you're taking their rights without offering anything in return.   
   >>   
   >> MMP: Our guidelines are clearly written on our Facebook Page (as well as in   
   the magazine).  If they read our guidelines (as one should before joining a   
   group) they are granting us permission to use their work.   
   >>   
   >> Since their poems are posted on our FB page, we aren't taking any rights   
   from them.  And if they ever ask to have them removed from the monthly   
   webzine, I will immediately do so.   
   >>   
   >> I don't make any money from AYoS, Dunce.  It's a free webzine.  I publish   
   it as a Thank You to the poets who participate in our group.   
   >>   
   >> What they get from it is a publication credit (something to list in their   
   submission letters and contributor bios for other publications).   
   >>   
   >> Putting together a monthly webzine requires a great deal of work and time   
   (about 3 full days per issue).  Perhaps you should ask yourself what I get out   
   of it in return for my work and time.   
   >>   
   >> DUNCE: Since you're stealing from Facebook poets (who by definition aren't   
   >> being published in any poetry venues), I'm sure they're all delighted, until   
   >> their poems suddenly disappear. But it is a good trick ("puppydogging,"   
   >> it's called) to sell them copies of the annual AYoS later.   
   >>   
   >> MMP: I also don't make any money from the annual print volume, Dunce.  Not   
   one cent.  I'm not trying to rope anyone in to buying copies of a book.   
   >>   
   >> The book is another way of thanking my contributors.  If I could afford to   
   print up and mail nearly 50 copies to them, I would.  One of my main reasons   
   for discontinuing Penny Dreadful and Songs of Innocence (which paid in copy)   
   was that the costs had    
   become too high.   
   >>   
   >> Even so, I've spent approximately 5 hours a day for the first three weeks   
   of December copying the poetry, selecting the poetry, and doing the   
   preliminary layout.  I shall probably spend another two weeks editing it.    
   NancyGene will then donate at    
   least two weeks of her time checking for further corrections and creating an   
   index.  I'll then spend another two weeks adding her corrections, giving it a   
   final proof, creating the cover, and setting it up online.   
   >>   
   >> Again, neither NancyGene or I make any money from this.  It's done as a   
   Thank You to our contributors.  And they have always expressed their happiness   
   with the finished collection.   
   >>   
   >> I realize that someone like yourself who is suffering from both paranoia   
   and a persecution complex must find it difficult to believe that anyone would   
   do something solely to thank others, but that's the way we roll.   
   >>   
   >>   
   >>>   
   >>> MMP: Our year-end anthology stays in print for three years, after which it   
   is permanently removed from publication.   
   >>>   
   >>   
   >>   
   >> DUNCE: So far the only AYoS annuals you've taken out of print were the   
   >> two issues from which I asked you to remove my poems (and you refused).   
   >> But you've already told us just this month that you've now decided that all   
   your   
   >> past issues (including those two) are now "books" meaning you can keep   
   printing   
   >> and selling them forever  So we'll see.   
   >>   
   >> MMP: As I've already explained to you, Dunce, it was not my decision to   
   make.  Amazon assigns books an IBSN number.    You should know this since   
   you've published Will's book with them.  If Amazon considered AYoS to be a   
   magazine, they would assign it    
   an ISSN instead.  Since Amazon prints and publishes the book, it's their call   
   -- not mine.   
   >>   
   >> As to my keeping them in print, legally, it's my call.  There is no   
   deadline for poems appearing in books.   
   >>   
   >> I have chosen to keep them in print for three years.   
   >>   
   >> Again, this was done at the request of several of my contributors.  I had   
   originally planned to only keep them in print for one year, but I have changed   
   it to three because my contributors want their poems to stay in print; and I   
   am, first and    
   foremost, doing this for them.   
   >>   
   >>   
   >>>   
   >>> MMP: We just welcomed our 200th member today, so we're obviously being   
   read.   
   >>>   
   >>   
   >>   
   >> DUNCE: I can't comment, because you've denied me access to your site (in   
   case I'll   
   >> find and remove the poems I posted there years ago).   
   >>   
   >> MMP: You give yourself way too much credit, Dunce.   
   >>   
      
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