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   Message 44,063 of 45,517   
   Will Dockery to All   
   Re: AYoS: Another Year of Stealing (2/2)   
   24 Dec 25 04:01:04   
   
   [continued from previous message]   
      
   > >> >>>> GJD: : Harry, Liar, according to your email that you attached,   
   > >> >>>> you did not ask for permission: you simply told me you had   
   > >> >>>> "selected" some of my poems for your AYoS, and needed me to   
   > >> >>>> correct your proofs so you could meet your publishing deadline.   
   > >> >>>>   
   > >> >>>> According to mine, I did not give you permission in writing   
   > >> >>>> (since you hadn't bothered to ask for it), but merely made the   
   > >> >>>> corrections you told me you needed.   
   > >> >>>>   
   > >> >>>> MMP:  Dance, Dance, Dance... you don't send corrections if you   
   > >> >>>> don't want your poems included.  You say "You don't have my   
   > >> >>>> permission to use them."   
   > >> >>>>   
   > >> >>>> GJD: Liar, Liar, Liar ... first you claimed that I had   
   > >> >>>> "submitted" the poems of mine you used in /Another Year of   
   > >> >>>> Stealing/. That was a lie. When challenged, you claimed that I   
   > >> >>>> had given you "permission in writing." That was also a lie. When   
   > >> >>>> challenged on that, you coughed up some "emails" which showed   
   > >> >>>> that both were lies; that in fact you had selected the poems   
   > >> >>>> yourself without asking me. You can froth and tizzy all you   
   > >> >>>> want, but that is not going to make those facts go away.   
   > >> >>>>   
   > >> >>>> MMP as HARRYLIAR :   
   > >> >>>> Jim, Robert, and Corey, otoh, have told you that you do NOT have   
   > >> >>>> permission to keep their poems on your blaaargh (or in your   
   > >> >>>> "April" blaaarghzine, which is the same thing. Take them down   
   > >> >>>> now, thief!   
   > >> >>>>   
   > >> >>>> GJD: And when caught in three lies -- that I'd submitted poems   
   > >> >>>> to your schmatte, that I'd given you permission to use my poems   
   > >> >>>> in your schmatte, and that you had proof of that in writing --   
   > >> >>>> you try to deflect attention with yet more lies. f**k off,   
   > >> >>>> HarryLiar.   
   > >> >>>>   
   > >> >>>> Unlikely, since Harry always wants the last word.   
   > >> >>>>   
   > >> >>>> And so it goes.   
   > >> >>>>   
   > >> >>>> Think about it...   
   > >> >>>>   
   > >> >>>> Dance stole poetry from me, Jim, Robert, and Corey.  He's   
   > >> >>>> currently boasting that he still has Jim, Robert, and Corey's   
   > >> >>>> poems in one of his publications.   
   > >> >>>>   
   > >> >>>> I called Dunce a thief.  Quite justifiably, I might add.   
   > >> >>>>   
   > >> >>>> Dance (Mr. Tit for Tat), then called me a thief, and told a lie   
   > >> >>>> to back it up (that he never gave me permission to use his   
   > >> >>>> work).   
   > >> >>>>   
   > >> >>>> I posted two of the emails that were exchanged between Dunce and   
   > >> >>>> I, which clearly show that I had Dunce's permission to use his   
   > >> >>>> poems.   
   > >> >>>>   
   > >> >>>> I'm just setting the record straight.   
   > >> >>>>   
   > >> >>>> Now, be honest... if someone falsely accused you of stealing,   
   > >> >>>> wouldn't you want to have the get the last word in?   
   > >> >>>>   
   > >> >>>> I don't have time to read this but will later tonight when I   
   > >> >>>> return to the office, Harry.   
   > >> >>>>   
   > >> >>>> But I will say I think your use of the term plagiarism is wrong,   
   > >> >>>> just as the meaning of the word was clarified for me when   
   > >> >>>> Michael Cook used my "Karma Bombs" poem without my knowledge or   
   > >> >>>> permission twenty years ago.   
   > >> >>>>   
   > >> >>>> I can explain at length later but you probably already   
   > >> >>>> understand by now.   
   > >> >>>>   
   > >> >>>> HTH and HAND.   
   > >> >>>>   
   > >> >>>> From a purely legal standpoint, it would be either 'theft' or   
   > >> >>>> "copyright infringement."   
   > >> >>>>   
   > >> >>>> Personally, I think that "literary theft" sounds much worse than   
   > >> >>>> "plagiarism," but you're correct.  Dance stole the poetry of at   
   > >> >>>> least 4 of the contributors to his blaaargh.   
   > >> >>>>   
   > >> >>>> Now please answer my question, which I'll repeat for your   
   > >> >>>> convenience:   
   > >> >>>>   
   > >> >>>> Dance stole poetry from me, Jim, Robert, and Corey.  He's   
   > >> >>>> currently boasting that he still has Jim, Robert, and Corey's   
   > >> >>>> poems in one of his publications.   
   > >> >>>>   
   > >> >>>> I called Dance a thief.  Quite justifiably, I might add.   
   > >> >>>>   
   > >> >>>> Dance (Mr. Tit for Tat), then called me a thief, and told a lie   
   > >> >>>> to back it up (that he never gave me permission to use his   
   > >> >>>> work).   
   > >> >>>>   
   > >> >>>> I posted two of the emails that were exchanged between Dunce and   
   > >> >>>> I, which clearly show that I had Dunce's permission to use his   
   > >> >>>> poems.   
   > >> >>>>   
   > >> >>>> I'm just setting the record straight.   
   > >> >>>>   
   > >> >>>> Now, be honest... if someone falsely accused you of stealing,   
   > >> >>>> wouldn't you want to have the get the last word in?   
   > >>   
   > >> >>> Yes, that's true, if I was accused of stealing I'd defend myself.   
   > >> >>>   
   > >> >>> And of course, you remember from the Karma Bombs incident that if   
   > >> >>> I'm stolen from I'll definitely speak up   
   > >>   
   > >> >> I heard you the first time   
   > >> >   
   > >> > Good, I'm glad you're keeping up.   
   > >>   
   > >> MMP: You do realize that you aren't part of this conversation, don't   
   > >> you   
   > >   
   > > I'm here.   
   > >   
   > > Therefore, I'm in it.   
   >   
   > It's just like   
      
   In your case just like an obsessive troll.   
      
   HTH and HAND.   
      
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