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   Message 44,202 of 45,517   
   Will Dockery to All   
   Re: AYoS: Another Year of Stealing (2/2)   
   31 Dec 25 05:32:45   
   
   [continued from previous message]   
      
   > >> >> >>>> probably never be able to get his stench off again.   
   > >> >> >>>>   
   > >> >> >>>> Why do you lie so much, Dunce?   
   > >> >> >>>>   
   > >> >> >>>> You granted permission for all of your poems that appeared.   
   > >> >> >>>>   
   > >> >> >>>> I even sent you pageproofs so could accept or reject my   
   > >> >> >>>> corrections/make additional corrections.   
   > >> >> >>>>   
   > >> >> >>>> You not only gave your permission, you lying sack of sh*t,   
   > >> >> >>>> but you gave it in writing.   
   > >> >> >>>>   
   > >> >> >>>> Attached are copies of my email to you, and your reply.   
   > >> >> >>>>   
   > >> >> >>>> GJD: : Harry, Liar, according to your email that you   
   > >> >> >>>> attached, you did not ask for permission: you simply told me   
   > >> >> >>>> you had "selected" some of my poems for your AYoS, and needed   
   > >> >> >>>> me to correct your proofs so you could meet your publishing   
   > >> >> >>>> deadline.   
   > >> >> >>>>   
   > >> >> >>>> According to mine, I did not give you permission in writing   
   > >> >> >>>> (since you hadn't bothered to ask for it), but merely made   
   > >> >> >>>> the corrections you told me you needed.   
   > >> >> >>>>   
   > >> >> >>>> MMP:  Dance, Dance, Dance... you don't send corrections if   
   > >> >> >>>> you don't want your poems included.  You say "You don't have   
   > >> >> >>>> my permission to use them."   
   > >> >> >>>>   
   > >> >> >>>> GJD: Liar, Liar, Liar ... first you claimed that I had   
   > >> >> >>>> "submitted" the poems of mine you used in /Another Year of   
   > >> >> >>>> Stealing/. That was a lie. When challenged, you claimed that   
   > >> >> >>>> I had given you "permission in writing." That was also a lie.   
   > >> >> >>>> When challenged on that, you coughed up some "emails" which   
   > >> >> >>>> showed that both were lies; that in fact you had selected the   
   > >> >> >>>> poems yourself without asking me. You can froth and tizzy all   
   > >> >> >>>> you want, but that is not going to make those facts go away.   
   > >> >> >>>>   
   > >> >> >>>> MMP as HARRYLIAR :   
   > >> >> >>>> Jim, Robert, and Corey, otoh, have told you that you do NOT   
   > >> >> >>>> have permission to keep their poems on your blaaargh (or in   
   > >> >> >>>> your "April" blaaarghzine, which is the same thing. Take them   
   > >> >> >>>> down now, thief!   
   > >> >> >>>>   
   > >> >> >>>> GJD: And when caught in three lies -- that I'd submitted   
   > >> >> >>>> poems to your schmatte, that I'd given you permission to use   
   > >> >> >>>> my poems in your schmatte, and that you had proof of that in   
   > >> >> >>>> writing -- you try to deflect attention with yet more lies.   
   > >> >> >>>> f**k off, HarryLiar.   
   > >> >> >>>>   
   > >> >> >>>> Unlikely, since Harry always wants the last word.   
   > >> >> >>>>   
   > >> >> >>>> And so it goes.   
   > >> >> >>>>   
   > >> >> >>>> Think about it...   
   > >> >> >>>>   
   > >> >> >>>> Dance stole poetry from me, Jim, Robert, and Corey.  He's   
   > >> >> >>>> currently boasting that he still has Jim, Robert, and Corey's   
   > >> >> >>>> poems in one of his publications.   
   > >> >> >>>>   
   > >> >> >>>> I called Dunce a thief.  Quite justifiably, I might add.   
   > >> >> >>>>   
   > >> >> >>>> Dance (Mr. Tit for Tat), then called me a thief, and told a   
   > >> >> >>>> lie to back it up (that he never gave me permission to use   
   > >> >> >>>> his work).   
   > >> >> >>>>   
   > >> >> >>>> I posted two of the emails that were exchanged between Dunce   
   > >> >> >>>> and I, which clearly show that I had Dunce's permission to   
   > >> >> >>>> use his poems.   
   > >> >> >>>>   
   > >> >> >>>> I'm just setting the record straight.   
   > >> >> >>>>   
   > >> >> >>>> Now, be honest... if someone falsely accused you of stealing,   
   > >> >> >>>> wouldn't you want to have the get the last word in?   
   > >> >> >>>>   
   > >> >> >>>> I don't have time to read this but will later tonight when I   
   > >> >> >>>> return to the office, Harry.   
   > >> >> >>>>   
   > >> >> >>>> But I will say I think your use of the term plagiarism is   
   > >> >> >>>> wrong, just as the meaning of the word was clarified for me   
   > >> >> >>>> when Michael Cook used my "Karma Bombs" poem without my   
   > >> >> >>>> knowledge or permission twenty years ago.   
   > >> >> >>>>   
   > >> >> >>>> I can explain at length later but you probably already   
   > >> >> >>>> understand by now.   
   > >> >> >>>>   
   > >> >> >>>> HTH and HAND.   
   > >> >> >>>>   
   > >> >> >>>> From a purely legal standpoint, it would be either 'theft' or   
   > >> >> >>>> "copyright infringement."   
   > >> >> >>>>   
   > >> >> >>>> Personally, I think that "literary theft" sounds much worse   
   > >> >> >>>> than "plagiarism," but you're correct.  Dance stole the   
   > >> >> >>>> poetry of at least 4 of the contributors to his blaaargh.   
   > >> >> >>>>   
   > >> >> >>>> Now please answer my question, which I'll repeat for your   
   > >> >> >>>> convenience:   
   > >> >> >>>>   
   > >> >> >>>> Dance stole poetry from me, Jim, Robert, and Corey.  He's   
   > >> >> >>>> currently boasting that he still has Jim, Robert, and Corey's   
   > >> >> >>>> poems in one of his publications.   
   > >> >> >>>>   
   > >> >> >>>> I called Dance a thief.  Quite justifiably, I might add.   
   > >> >> >>>>   
   > >> >> >>>> Dance (Mr. Tit for Tat), then called me a thief, and told a   
   > >> >> >>>> lie to back it up (that he never gave me permission to use   
   > >> >> >>>> his work).   
   > >> >> >>>>   
   > >> >> >>>> I posted two of the emails that were exchanged between Dunce   
   > >> >> >>>> and I, which clearly show that I had Dunce's permission to   
   > >> >> >>>> use his poems.   
   > >> >> >>>>   
   > >> >> >>>> I'm just setting the record straight.   
   > >> >> >>>>   
   > >> >> >>>> Now, be honest... if someone falsely accused you of stealing,   
   > >> >> >>>> wouldn't you want to have the get the last word in?   
   > >> >>   
   > >> >> >>> Yes, that's true, if I was accused of stealing I'd defend   
   > >> >> >>> myself.   
   > >> >> >>>   
   > >> >> >>> And of course, you remember from the Karma Bombs incident that   
   > >> >> >>> if I'm stolen from I'll definitely speak up   
   > >> >>   
   > >> >> >> I heard you the first time   
   > >> >> >   
   > >> >> > Good, I'm glad you're keeping up.   
   > >> >>   
   > >> >> MMP: You do realize that you aren't part of this conversation,   
   > >> >> don't you   
   >> >   
   >> > I'm here.   
   > >   
   > > Therefore, I'm in it.   
   >   
   > It's just like   
      
   Like I said, in your case just like an obsessive troll.   
      
   And so it goes.   
      
   --   
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