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| alt.arts.poetry.comments | Feedback on eachothers poetry apparently | 45,517 messages |
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| Message 44,221 of 45,517 |
| Cujo DeSockpuppet to Will Dockery |
| Re: AYoS: Another Year of Stealing (2/3) |
| 31 Dec 25 19:23:39 |
[continued from previous message] >> >> >> >> >>>> Can you imagine HarryLiar having exclusive rights to >> >> >> >> >>>> some of your poems? That you wouldn't be able to use >> >> >> >> >>>> those poems of yours on your own blog? That the only >> >> >> >> >>>> versions of your poems in print were the ones that he >> >> >> >> >>>> had "edited"? Then you should feel relieved that he >> >> >> >> >>>> "banned" you instead. >> >> >> >> >>>> >> >> >> >> >>>> As I said, you dodged a bullet. Or, to use a more >> >> >> >> >>>> appropriate metaphor, you dodged a pile of monkeyshit >> >> >> >> >>>> that he threw at you. Once that sh*t of his hits you, >> >> >> >> >>>> like it did me, you'd probably never be able to get his >> >> >> >> >>>> stench off again. >> >> >> >> >>>> >> >> >> >> >>>> Why do you lie so much, Dunce? >> >> >> >> >>>> >> >> >> >> >>>> You granted permission for all of your poems that >> >> >> >> >>>> appeared. >> >> >> >> >>>> >> >> >> >> >>>> I even sent you pageproofs so could accept or reject my >> >> >> >> >>>> corrections/make additional corrections. >> >> >> >> >>>> >> >> >> >> >>>> You not only gave your permission, you lying sack of >> >> >> >> >>>> sh*t, but you gave it in writing. >> >> >> >> >>>> >> >> >> >> >>>> Attached are copies of my email to you, and your reply. >> >> >> >> >>>> >> >> >> >> >>>> GJD: : Harry, Liar, according to your email that you >> >> >> >> >>>> attached, you did not ask for permission: you simply >> >> >> >> >>>> told me you had "selected" some of my poems for your >> >> >> >> >>>> AYoS, and needed me to correct your proofs so you could >> >> >> >> >>>> meet your publishing deadline. >> >> >> >> >>>> >> >> >> >> >>>> According to mine, I did not give you permission in >> >> >> >> >>>> writing (since you hadn't bothered to ask for it), but >> >> >> >> >>>> merely made the corrections you told me you needed. >> >> >> >> >>>> >> >> >> >> >>>> MMP: Dance, Dance, Dance... you don't send corrections >> >> >> >> >>>> if you don't want your poems included. You say "You >> >> >> >> >>>> don't have my permission to use them." >> >> >> >> >>>> >> >> >> >> >>>> GJD: Liar, Liar, Liar ... first you claimed that I had >> >> >> >> >>>> "submitted" the poems of mine you used in /Another Year >> >> >> >> >>>> of Stealing/. That was a lie. When challenged, you >> >> >> >> >>>> claimed that I had given you "permission in writing." >> >> >> >> >>>> That was also a lie. When challenged on that, you >> >> >> >> >>>> coughed up some "emails" which showed that both were >> >> >> >> >>>> lies; that in fact you had selected the poems yourself >> >> >> >> >>>> without asking me. You can froth and tizzy all you >> >> >> >> >>>> want, but that is not going to make those facts go >> >> >> >> >>>> away. >> >> >> >> >>>> >> >> >> >> >>>> MMP as HARRYLIAR : >> >> >> >> >>>> Jim, Robert, and Corey, otoh, have told you that you do >> >> >> >> >>>> NOT have permission to keep their poems on your >> >> >> >> >>>> blaaargh (or in your "April" blaaarghzine, which is the >> >> >> >> >>>> same thing. Take them down now, thief! >> >> >> >> >>>> >> >> >> >> >>>> GJD: And when caught in three lies -- that I'd >> >> >> >> >>>> submitted poems to your schmatte, that I'd given you >> >> >> >> >>>> permission to use my poems in your schmatte, and that >> >> >> >> >>>> you had proof of that in writing -- you try to deflect >> >> >> >> >>>> attention with yet more lies. f**k off, HarryLiar. >> >> >> >> >>>> >> >> >> >> >>>> Unlikely, since Harry always wants the last word. >> >> >> >> >>>> >> >> >> >> >>>> I'm just setting the record straight. >> >> >> >> >>>> >> >> >> >> >>>> Now, be honest... if someone falsely accused you of >> >> >> >> >>>> stealing, wouldn't you want to have the get the last >> >> >> >> >>>> word in? >> >> >> >> >>>> >> >> >> >> >>>> I don't have time to read this but will later tonight >> >> >> >> >>>> when I return to the office, Harry. >> >> >> >> >>>> >> >> >> >> >>>> But I will say I think your use of the term plagiarism >> >> >> >> >>>> is wrong, just as the meaning of the word was clarified >> >> >> >> >>>> for me when Michael Cook used my "Karma Bombs" poem >> >> >> >> >>>> without my knowledge or permission twenty years ago. >> >> >> >> >>>> >> >> >> >> >>>> I can explain at length later but you probably already >> >> >> >> >>>> understand by now. >> >> >> >> >>>> >> >> >> >> >>>> HTH and HAND. >> >> >> >> >>>> >> >> >> >> >>>> From a purely legal standpoint, it would be either >> >> >> >> >>>> 'theft' or "copyright infringement." >> >> >> >> >>>> >> >> >> >> >>>> Personally, I think that "literary theft" sounds much >> >> >> >> >>>> worse than "plagiarism," but you're correct. Dance >> >> >> >> >>>> stole the poetry of at least 4 of the contributors to >> >> >> >> >>>> his blaaargh. >> >> >> >> >>>> >> >> >> >> >>>> Now please answer my question, which I'll repeat for >> >> >> >> >>>> your convenience: >> >> >> >> >>>> >> >> >> >> >>>> Dance stole poetry from me, Jim, Robert, and Corey. >> >> >> >> >>>> He's currently boasting that he still has Jim, Robert, >> >> >> >> >>>> and Corey's poems in one of his publications. >> >> >> >> >>>> >> >> >> >> >>>> I called Dance a thief. Quite justifiably, I might >> >> >> >> >>>> add. >> >> >> >> >>>> >> >> >> >> >>>> Dance (Mr. Tit for Tat), then called me a thief, and >> >> >> >> >>>> told a lie to back it up (that he never gave me >> >> >> >> >>>> permission to use his work). >> >> >> >> >>>> >> >> >> >> >>>> I posted two of the emails that were exchanged between >> >> >> >> >>>> Dunce and I, which clearly show that I had Dunce's >> >> >> >> >>>> permission to use his poems. >> >> >> >> >>>> >> >> >> >> >>>> I'm just setting the record straight. >> >> >> >> >>>> >> >> >> >> >>>> Now, be honest... if someone falsely accused you of >> >> >> >> >>>> stealing, wouldn't you want to have the get the last >> >> >> >> >>>> word in? >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>> Yes, that's true, if I was accused of stealing I'd >> >> >> >> >>> defend myself. >> >> >> >> >>> >> >> >> >> >>> And of course, you remember from the Karma Bombs >> >> >> >> >>> incident that if I'm stolen from I'll definitely speak >> >> >> >> >>> up >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> I heard you the first time >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> > Good, I'm glad you're keeping up. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> MMP: You do realize that you aren't part of this >> >> >> >> conversation, don't you >> >> >> >> > I'm here. >> >> > >> >> > Therefore, I'm in it. >> >> >> >> It's just like |
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