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   Message 44,317 of 45,517   
   Will Dockery to All   
   Re: Jazz Poetry   
   04 Jan 26 19:22:01   
   
   From: user3274@newsgrouper.org.invalid   
      
   mpsilvertone@yahoo-dot-com.no-spam.invalid (HarryLime) posted:   
   > Will Dockery wrote:   
   > > Zodrslight.i2p wrote:   
   >   
   > >> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mexico_City_Blues   
   > >>   
   > >> "I want to be considered a jazz poet, blowing a long blues in an   
   afternoon jam session on Sunday. I take 242 choruses; my ideas vary and   
   sometimes roll from chorus to chorus or from halfway through a chorus to   
   halfway into the next." -Jack Kerouac   
   >   
   > > Fantastic quote about the Jack Kerouac writing method, which is still used   
   by poets to this day, for example, John Darnielle of the Mountain Goats:   
   > >   
   > > "Cold At Night" / The Mountain Goats   
   >   
   > > ***   
   >   
   > More mental masturbation from Jack.   
   >   
   > He has no more understanding of Jazz than he has of Buddhism (Dharma), but   
   nevertheless gets off on applying it to his poetry/lifestyle.   
   >   
   > I can see why he's your idol, as you're constantly doing the same thing.   
   >   
   > Jazz is based upon the concept that there are potentially infinite   
   variations within the framework of a given song.  A jazz musician explores   
   those variations -- while *staying within the structure* of the musical piece.   
   >   
   > Like your own "unspeakable shit," Jack's poetry had no basic form for him to   
   perform variations (riffs) on.   
   >   
   > In order to have 242 choruses, you need to first have a basic structure or   
   form.  You can't have a chorus, for example, without a verse.   
   >   
   > His description of pursuing ideas over multiple choruses, stopping them in   
   mid-chorus, etc., sounds more akin to the thought-fragment/word association   
   process of Fragmentism than to the variations of Jazz.   
   >   
   > He just liked the way that the label of "Jazz poet" sounded... much the same   
   way that you like calling yourself a poet.   
   >   
   > This is a response to the post seen at:   
   > http://www.jlaforums.com/viewtopic.php?p=660030815#660030815   
      
   Okay, you probably know that I don't mind being compared with Jack Kerouac.   
      
   😏   
      
   --   
   Poetry and songs of Will Dockery:   
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