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   mpsilvertone@yahoo-dot-com.no-spam.invalid (HarryLime) posted:   
   > Will Dockery wrote:   
   >> mpsilvertone@yahoo-dot-com.no-spam.invalid (HarryLime) posted:   
   > >> Will Dockery wrote:   
   >   
   > >> Apple Montage   
   > >>   
   > >> Sneaking around   
   > >> with Cousin Jenny,   
   > >> smoking menthol   
   > >> beyond the sheds.   
   > >>   
   > >> Late summer vacation 1973   
   > >> in the backwoods of Tennessee.   
   > >>   
   > >> To the right   
   > >> behind the barn   
   > >> were apple trees.   
   > >>   
   > >> There were several   
   > >> of those trees   
   > >> and other trees   
   > >> behind them   
   > >> beyond a field   
   > >> and behind them, other trees.   
   > >>   
   > >> Later, I stood near   
   > >> as a crowd   
   > >> watched Pops and my Uncle   
   > >> cooking apple butter;   
   > >> stirring the brown gunk,   
   > >> boiling in a huge black kettle.   
   > >>   
   > >> I saw my father   
   > >> secretly pass   
   > >> a wine bottle   
   > >> to my Uncle Clarence.   
   > >>   
   > >> I went from   
   > >> breathing cold mist   
   > >> out back behind the barn,   
   > >> to breathing   
   > >> the hot misty steam.   
   > >>   
   > >> The air smelled of apple fumes   
   > >> and strong booze.   
   > >>   
   > >> -Will Dockery   
   > >>   
   > >> And here I thought you were going to ask if you could use my de-cluttered   
   version for your next Twitter poem.   
   > >>   
   > >> No, I wrote about the clutter in the thread, not the poem.   
   > >>   
   > >> The poem is an almost perfect poetry montage as it is..   
   > >>   
   > >> Here ^^^   
   > >>   
   > >> This is still obvious ^^^   
   > >>   
   > >> Define "poetry montage."   
   > >>   
   > >> See my poem "Apple Montage" for an example of ause of montage in poetry.   
   > >>   
   > >> Here ^^^   
   > >>   
   > >> Wikipedia is a good start on defining "montage":   
   > >>   
   > >> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Montage_(filmmaking)   
   > >>   
   > >> Here is Wikipedia's definition (as per your link):   
   > >>   
   > >> "A montage (/m'nˈt'ː'/ mon-TAHZH) is a film editing technique in which   
   a series of short shots are sequenced to condense space, time, and   
   information. Montages enable filmmakers to communicate a large amount of   
   information to an audience over a    
   shorter span of time by juxtaposing different shots, compressing time through   
   editing, or intertwining multiple storylines of a narrative.   
   > >>   
   > >> "The term has varied meanings depending on the filmmaking tradition. In   
   French, the word montage applied to cinema simply denotes editing. In Soviet   
   montage theory, as originally introduced outside the USSR by Sergei   
   Eisenstein,[1] it was used to    
   create symbolism.[2] Later, the term "montage sequence", used primarily by   
   British and American studios, became the common technique to suggest the   
   passage of time.[3]   
   > >>   
   > >> "From the 1930s to the 1950s, montage sequences often combined numerous   
   short shots with special optical effects (fades/dissolves, split screens,   
   double and triple exposures), dance, and music."   
   > >>   
   > >> The closest your poem comes to having a montage would be a series of lap   
   dissolves showing the trees behind trees behind trees -- which is merely a   
   bridge between the two scenes depicted, and which has *no* apples mentioned in   
   it.   
   > >>   
   > >> As previously pointed out, my poem uses montage effects in poetry form.   
   > >>   
   > >> My poem definitely used montage, this is an argument that is apparently   
   ongoing.   
   > >>   
   > >> This argument was settled long ago.   
   > >>   
   > >> Interesting that I was watching a television program about Orson Welles   
   just last night, where montage was mentioned.   
   > >>   
   > >> Like it or not, my poem does use montage.   
   > >>   
   > >> You cannot point out *one* specific example of montage in your poem.   
   > >>   
   > >> The entire poem is montage, using montage effects.   
   > >>   
   > >> I've known about montage since the 1970s.   
   > >>   
   > >> I know exactly what a montage is, and knew from the start.   
   > >>   
   > >> If your poem doesn't follow this montage structure   
      
   Again, there's no set structure for the use of montage effects in poetry.   
      
   > >> Your poem, as I've told you several dozen times, is two scenes with a   
   bridge.  The bridge could be envisioned as a montage (a means of transitioning   
   between the two scenes) but it is inconsequential to the action of either.    
   And it doesn't contain    
   any images of apples.   
   > >>   
   > >> There are thousands of apples in the trees, in the montage.   
   > >>   
   > >> The trees described are *apple* trees.   
   > >>   
   > >> Is the title of your poem   
      
   The title of my poem is "Apple Montage."   
      
   > >> I think the title of montage poem is well known by now.   
   > >>   
   > >> It's a poem in montage form.   
   > >>   
   > >> I've explained to you how "Holiday Season" is a poem in montage form   
      
   I've explained my use of montage effects in my poem several times, also.   
      
   > > There's no set form for a montage in poetry.   
   >   
   > You had said that "It's a poem in montage form."   
      
   That's correct.   
      
   > Now you've corrected yourself, to say that there's "no set form for a   
   montage in poetry."   
   >   
   > This is true, since "montage" is primarily used in film.   
   >   
   > Montage is based on the juxtaposition of images, whereas poetry is created   
   with words; so the language of the cinematic medium is rarely transposed to   
   the latter.   
      
   I used montage effects in poetry form.   
      
   > But as I've pointed out to you, the only portion of your poem which could be   
   said to function like a montage, is the bridge (trees behind trees behind   
   trees).  But the bridge is merely a linking device used to transition from the   
   first scene (Will and    
   Jenny smoking behind the barn) to the second (Will watching Dad and Uncle   
   Fester cooking up a batch of apple cider).   
   >   
   > The trees behind trees could be apple trees   
      
   Correct.   
      
   > You used the title because you thought it was "snappy."   
      
   The title also describes the montage effects used in the poem.   
      
   > it doesn't apply to the poem   
      
   Yes, it does.   
      
   The poem is a montage in poetry form.   
      
   --   
   Poetry and songs of Will Dockery:   
   https://www.reverbnation.com/willdockery   
      
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