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   mpsilvertone@yahoo-dot-com.no-spam.invalid (HarryLime) posted:   
   > Will Dockery wrote:   
   >> mpsilvertone@yahoo-dot-com.no-spam.invalid (HarryLime) posted:   
   >>> Will Dockery wrote:   
   > >> mpsilvertone@yahoo-dot-com.no-spam.invalid (HarryLime) posted:   
   > >> Will Dockery wrote:   
   >   
   > >> Apple Montage   
   > >>   
   > >> Sneaking around   
   > >> with Cousin Jenny,   
   > >> smoking menthol   
   > >> beyond the sheds.   
   > >>   
   > >> Late summer vacation 1973   
   > >> in the backwoods of Tennessee.   
   > >>   
   > >> To the right   
   > >> behind the barn   
   > >> were apple trees.   
   > >>   
   > >> There were several   
   > >> of those trees   
   > >> and other trees   
   > >> behind them   
   > >> beyond a field   
   > >> and behind them, other trees.   
   > >>   
   > >> Later, I stood near   
   > >> as a crowd   
   > >> watched Pops and my Uncle   
   > >> cooking apple butter;   
   > >> stirring the brown gunk,   
   > >> boiling in a huge black kettle.   
   > >>   
   > >> I saw my father   
   > >> secretly pass   
   > >> a wine bottle   
   > >> to my Uncle Clarence.   
   > >>   
   > >> I went from   
   > >> breathing cold mist   
   > >> out back behind the barn,   
   > >> to breathing   
   > >> the hot misty steam.   
   > >>   
   > >> The air smelled of apple fumes   
   > >> and strong booze.   
   > >>   
   > >> -Will Dockery   
   > >>   
   > >> And here I thought you were going to ask if you could use my de-cluttered   
   version for your next Twitter poem.   
   > >>   
   > >> No, I wrote about the clutter in the thread, not the poem.   
   > >>   
   > >> The poem is an almost perfect poetry montage as it is..   
   > >>   
   > >> Here ^^^   
   > >>   
   > >> This is still obvious ^^^   
   > >>   
   > >> Define "poetry montage."   
   > >>   
   > >> See my poem "Apple Montage" for an example of ause of montage in poetry.   
   > >>   
   > >> Here ^^^   
   > >>   
   > >> Wikipedia is a good start on defining "montage":   
   > >>   
   > >> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Montage_(filmmaking)   
   > >>   
   > >> Here is Wikipedia's definition (as per your link):   
   > >>   
   > >> "A montage (/m'nˈt'ː'/ mon-TAHZH) is a film editing technique in which   
   a series of short shots are sequenced to condense space, time, and   
   information. Montages enable filmmakers to communicate a large amount of   
   information to an audience over a    
   shorter span of time by juxtaposing different shots, compressing time through   
   editing, or intertwining multiple storylines of a narrative.   
   > >>   
   > >> "The term has varied meanings depending on the filmmaking tradition. In   
   French, the word montage applied to cinema simply denotes editing. In Soviet   
   montage theory, as originally introduced outside the USSR by Sergei   
   Eisenstein,[1] it was used to    
   create symbolism.[2] Later, the term "montage sequence", used primarily by   
   British and American studios, became the common technique to suggest the   
   passage of time.[3]   
   > >>   
   > >> "From the 1930s to the 1950s, montage sequences often combined numerous   
   short shots with special optical effects (fades/dissolves, split screens,   
   double and triple exposures), dance, and music."   
   > >>   
   > >> The closest your poem comes to having a montage would be a series of lap   
   dissolves showing the trees behind trees behind trees -- which is merely a   
   bridge between the two scenes depicted, and which has *no* apples mentioned in   
   it.   
   > >>   
   > >> As previously pointed out, my poem uses montage effects in poetry form.   
   > >>   
   > >> My poem definitely used montage, this is an argument that is apparently   
   ongoing.   
   > >>   
   > >> This argument was settled long ago.   
   > >>   
   > >> Interesting that I was watching a television program about Orson Welles   
   just last night, where montage was mentioned.   
   > >>   
   > >> Like it or not, my poem does use montage.   
   > >>   
   > >> You cannot point out *one* specific example of montage in your poem.   
   > >>   
   > >> The entire poem is montage, using montage effects.   
   > >>   
   > >> I've known about montage since the 1970s.   
   > >>   
   > >> I know exactly what a montage is, and knew from the start.   
   > >>   
   > >> If your poem doesn't follow this montage structure   
   > >>   
   > >> Dockery: Again, there's no set structure for the use of montage effects   
   in poetry.   
   > >>   
   > >> MMP: Again, a "montage poem" and the use of "montage effects" are two   
   very different things.   
   > >>   
   > >> Not really, there's no set "montage form" in poetry.   
   > >>   
   > >> There are thousands of apples in the trees, in the montage.   
   > >>   
   > >> The trees described are *apple* trees.   
   > >>   
   > >> you expect readers to know that by "trees" you mean "apple trees" -- and   
   that the apple trees are bearing fruit.   
   > >>   
   > >> Dockery: In context that's obvious.   
   > >>   
   > >> MMP: No, Donkey, it isn't.   
   > >>   
   > >   
   > >   
   > > I think it is.   
   > >   
   > >   
   > >> "To the right   
   > >> behind the barn   
   > >> were apple trees.   
   > >>   
   > >> There were several   
   > >> of those trees   
   > >> and other trees   
   > >> behind them   
   > >> beyond a field   
   > >> and behind them, other trees."   
   > >>   
   > >> I grew up in a rural, farming community.  Behind any given apple orchard   
   was a forest.  The local forests did not contain apple trees, but a mix of   
   pine, maple, oak, holly and spruce.   
   > >>   
   > >> And if there was another field behind the apple orchard, it either   
   contained other fruit-bearing trees (cherry, pear), or plants (corn, lettuce,   
   tomato, pumpkin, etc.).   
   > >>   
   > >   
   > >   
   > > Okay, I was reporting what I personally saw at age 8-10.   
   > >   
   > > Apparently my grandfather ran his orchard differently or another   
   explanation.   
   > >   
   > > At this rate I might not have the answers, as the older folks are gone now.   
   > >   
   > >   
   > >> The idea of an apple orchard with apples trees behind it, followed by a   
   second apple orchard, followed by more apple trees strikes me as... bizarre.   
   > >>   
   > >   
   > >   
   > > Sure, and a lot of the stuff that you and NancyGene write about people is   
   bizarre as well, but joy find it to be acceptable.   
   > >   
   > >   
   > >> Is the title of your poem   
   > >>   
   > >> Dockery: The title of my poem is "Apple Montage."   
   > >>   
   > >> I think the title of montage poem is well known by now.   
   > >>   
   > >> MMP: I asked you why you post-edited my question, Donkey.  Are you afraid   
   to address the fact that an apple and an apple tree are two very different   
   things?   
   > >>   
   > >> Dockery: It's a poem in montage form.   
   > >>   
   > >> MMP: You had said that "It's a poem in montage form."   
   > >>   
   > >   
   > >   
   > > That's correct.   
   > >   
   > >   
   > >> Dockery: I used montage effects in poetry form.   
   > >>   
   > >> "montage poem."   
   > >>   
   > >   
   > >   
   > > My poem used montage effects, whether you agree or not.   
   > >   
   > >   
   > >> MMP: You keep stamping your foot   
   > >>   
   > >   
   > >   
   > > Exactly the same could be said about you.   
   > >   
   > >   
   > >> Dockery: Look who's talking.   
   > >>   
   > >> MMP: I've repeatedly explained to you what a "montage" is.   
   > >>   
   > >   
   > >   
   > > I've known for years, decades, what a montage is.   
   > >   
   > >   
   > >> I've also explained what a "montage poem" is   
   >   
   > > I already know what a montage poem is, I wrote one.   
   > >   
   > you haven't   
      
   Yes, it was a poem using montage effects, but of course I don't expect you to   
   admit it.   
      
   --   
   Poetry and songs of Will Dockery:   
   https://www.reverbnation.com/willdockery   
      
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