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   Message 44,431 of 45,517   
   Will Dockery to All   
   Re: Jazz Poetry   
   10 Jan 26 06:33:48   
   
   From: user3274@newsgrouper.org.invalid   
      
   Cujo DeSockpuppet  posted:   
      
   > Will Dockery  wrote in   
   > news:1768003533-3274@newsgrouper.org:   
   >> mpsilvertone@yahoo-dot-com.no-spam.invalid (HarryLime) posted:   
   >>> Will Dockery wrote:   
   >   
   > >> >>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mexico_City_Blues   
   > >> >>>   
   > >> >>> "I want to be considered a jazz poet, blowing a long blues in an   
   > >> >>> afternoon jam session on Sunday. I take 242 choruses; my ideas   
   > >> >>> vary and sometimes roll from chorus to chorus or from halfway   
   > >> >>> through a chorus to halfway into the next." -Jack Kerouac   
   > >> >>>   
   > >> >>> This method produced some spectacular poetry.   
   > >> >>>   
   > >> >>> Some of the best of all time...   
   > >> >>>   
   > >> >>> Just becaue   
   > >> >>> doesn't make magically make it true, Donkey.   
   > >> >>>   
   > >> >>> Just as your whining about it doesn't make anything true, either.   
   > >> >>>   
   > >> >>> As I stated earlier:   
   > >> >>>   
   > >> >>> More mental masturbation from Jack.   
   > >> >>>   
   > >> >>> He has no more understanding of Jazz than he has of Buddhism   
   > >> >>> (Dharma), but nevertheless gets off on applying it to his   
   > >> >>> poetry/lifestyle.   
   > >> >>>   
   > >> >>> I can see why he's your idol, as you're constantly doing the same   
   > >> >>> thing.   
   > >> >>>   
   > >> >>> Jazz is based upon the concept that there are potentially   
   > >> >>> infinite variations within the framework of a given song. A jazz   
   > >> >>> musician explores those variations -- while *staying within the   
   > >> >>> structure* of the musical piece.   
   > >> >>>   
   > >> >>> Like your own "unspeakable sh*t," Jack's poetry had no basic form   
   > >> >>> for him to perform variations (riffs) on.   
   > >> >>>   
   > >> >>> In order to have 242 choruses, you need to first have a basic   
   > >> >>> structure or form. You can't have a chorus, for example, without   
   > >> >>> a verse.   
   > >> >>>   
   > >> >>> His description of pursuing ideas over multiple choruses,   
   > >> >>> stopping them in mid-chorus, etc., sounds more akin to the   
   > >> >>> thought-fragment/word association process of Fragmentism than to   
   > >> >>> the variations of Jazz.   
   >   
   > >> >>> Jack Kerouac was an avid jazz fan so I think he knew what else   
   > >> >>> was talking about.   
   > >> >>>   
   > >> >>> You're a Pat Boone fan, which has far less credibility.   
   > >> >>>   
   > >> >>> I've got plenty of jazz records in my collection.   
   > >>   
   > >>> Just because you have a few jazz records doesn't mean you understand   
   > >>> them like Jack Kerouac did.   
   > >   
   > > (Typo corrected.)   
   > >   
   > > Just a typo, now corrected.   
   >   
   > I put it back   
      
   The typo was corrected, troll.   
      
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