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   Message 44,459 of 45,517   
   Cujo DeSockpuppet to Will Dockery   
   Re: Jazz Poetry   
   11 Jan 26 16:18:06   
   
   From: cujo@petitmorte.net   
      
   Will Dockery  wrote in   
   news:1768146792-3274@newsgrouper.org:   
      
   >   
   > nancygene.andjayme@gmail-dot-com.no-spam.invalid (NancyGene) posted:   
   >   
   >> Will Dockery wrote:   
   >>> mpsilvertone@yahoo-dot-com.no-spam.invalid (HarryLime) posted:   
   >>>> Will Dockery wrote:   
   >>>>> mpsilvertone@yahoo-dot-com.no-spam.invalid (HarryLime) posted:   
   >> >>>> Will Dockery wrote:   
   >>   
   >> >>>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mexico_City_Blues   
   >> >>>>   
   >> >>>> "I want to be considered a jazz poet, blowing a long blues in an   
   >> >>>> afternoon jam session on Sunday. I take 242 choruses; my ideas   
   >> >>>> vary and sometimes roll from chorus to chorus or from halfway   
   >> >>>> through a chorus to halfway into the next." -Jack Kerouac   
   >> >>>>   
   >> >>>> This method produced some spectacular poetry.   
   >> >>>>   
   >> >>>> Some of the best of all time...   
   >> >>>>   
   >> >>>> Just becaue   
   >> >>>> doesn't make magically make it true, Donkey.   
   >> >>>>   
   >> >>>> Just as your whining about it doesn't make anything true,   
   >> >>>> either.   
   >> >>>>   
   >> >>>> As I stated earlier:   
   >> >>>>   
   >> >>>> More mental masturbation from Jack.   
   >> >>>>   
   >> >>>> He has no more understanding of Jazz than he has of Buddhism   
   >> >>>> (Dharma), but nevertheless gets off on applying it to his   
   >> >>>> poetry/lifestyle.   
   >> >>>>   
   >> >>>> I can see why he's your idol, as you're constantly doing the   
   >> >>>> same thing.   
   >> >>>>   
   >> >>>> Jazz is based upon the concept that there are potentially   
   >> >>>> infinite variations within the framework of a given song. A jazz   
   >> >>>> musician explores those variations -- while *staying within the   
   >> >>>> structure* of the musical piece.   
   >> >>>>   
   >> >>>> Like your own "unspeakable sh*t," Jack's poetry had no basic   
   >> >>>> form for him to perform variations (riffs) on.   
   >> >>>>   
   >> >>>> In order to have 242 choruses, you need to first have a basic   
   >> >>>> structure or form. You can't have a chorus, for example, without   
   >> >>>> a verse.   
   >> >>>>   
   >> >>>> His description of pursuing ideas over multiple choruses,   
   >> >>>> stopping them in mid-chorus, etc., sounds more akin to the   
   >> >>>> thought-fragment/word association process of Fragmentism than to   
   >> >>>> the variations of Jazz.   
   >> >>>>   
   >> >>>> He just liked the way that the label of "Jazz poet" sounded...   
   >> >>>> much the same way that you like calling yourself a poet.   
   >> >>>>   
   >> >>>> Agreed.   
   >> >>>>   
   >> >>>> Jack Kerouac was an avid jazz fan so I think he knew what else   
   >> >>>> was talking about.   
   >> >>>>   
   >> >>>> You're a Pat Boone fan, which has far less credibility.   
   >> >>>>   
   >> >>>> I've got plenty of jazz records in my collection.   
   >   
   > I have quite a few jazz records in mine as well if that counts.   
   >   
   > [...]   
   >   
   >> Is there a question mark in the M/F/X category   
   >   
   > Look who's talking, NancyGene an anonymous troll who claims to be   
   > female.   
      
   Big deal, you claim to be a poet, musician and talented. Even if NG turns   
   out not to be female[1], you're at least two up on the "what you're not"   
   category. Douchebags are also checking the boxes for "inbred" and "not   
   human" so that's at least 4 points and almost certainly 5 points!   
      
   You lose again, Douchebag!   
      
   [1] Just how fucking stupid are you, Douchebag?   
      
      
   --   
   "The fact that it doesn't apply to the poem is of little consequence to   
   you, because your poems don't have a literary basis, because you're   
   functionally illiterate and haven't got a clue as to what a poem is." -   
   Little Willie Douchebag gets another asskicking from Pendragon   
      
   --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05   
    * Origin: you cannot sedate... all the things you hate (1:229/2)   

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