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   Will Dockery to All   
   Re: "February," by Ina D. Coolbrith (184   
   24 Feb 26 14:42:25   
   
   From: user3274@newsgrouper.org.invalid   
      
   nancygene.andjayme@gmail-dot-com.no-spam.invalid (NancyGene) posted:   
   > Will Dockery wrote:   
   >> mpsilvertone@yahoo-dot-com.no-spam.invalid (HarryLime) posted:   
   >>> George J. Dance wrote:   
   > >>> Michael Monkey Peabrain aka "HarryLime" wrote:   
   > >>> George J. Dance wrote:   
   >   
   > >>> As Kevin Fries pointed out tonight, NancyGene is  troll, after all.   
   >   
   > >>> Yes, I've seen the quote:   
   > >>> "NG helped you find your spine? SHE TROLLED YOU, you still don't have   
   > >>> one." (EMPHASIS ADDED)   
   > >>>   
   > >>> Mr. Fries would probably argue that he only said NG was trolling you,   
   > >>> and trolling one person one time doesn't make one a troll; that requires   
   > >>> trolling as a habit, trolling more than one person and more than once.   
   > >>> Since NG has trolled many more than one person, and much more often   
   > >>> that once - for instance, I'm in this thread only because NG trolled me   
   in   
   > >>> with fheir above lies -- I'd say they're a troll, and I'd probably have   
   thought   
   > >>> that's what Mr. Fries was saying, but he but he might protest that he   
   meant   
   > >>> something else.   
   > >>>   
   > >>> Anyway, I'm too busy to get involved, since I've got NG's troll of me   
   > >>> to take care of, with at least 3 posts from her that need answers in   
   > >>> this thread alone -- and of course with JLA Forums one has to find the   
   posts   
   > >>> one by one. So I'll have to break off here for now.   
   > >>>   
   > >>> Mr. Fries said that NancyGene "trolled"   
   > >>>   
   > >> Thus, Kevin Fries admitted that NancyGene is a troll.   
   > >>   
   > >>> DANCE: Yes, Harry; Mr. Fries was trying to insult Will with that   
   > >>> stupid insult. Thank you for that explanation, Captain Obvious.   
   > >>>   
   > >>> MMP: Then why did you say (immediately above) that:   
   > >>>   
   > >>> "Mr. Fries would probably argue that he only said NG was trolling you,   
   > >>> and trolling one person one time doesn't make one a troll; that requires   
   > >>> trolling as a habit, trolling more than one person and more than once..."   
   > >>>   
   > >>> MMP: You were obviously discussing Mr. Fries' statement in a serious   
   manner,   
   > >>>   
   > >>> GD: Yes.   
   > >>>   
   > >>> MMP: and treating it as if he had actually said that she were a troll.   
   > >>>   
   > >>> GD: No - only as if he had actually said that she had trolled Will.   
   > >>>   
   > >>> MMP: You either misunderstood what he'd said, or else you were being you   
   usual deceitful self.   
   > >>>   
   > >>> GD: HarryLiar, I quoted what he said. ""NG helped you find your spine?   
   SHE TROLLED YOU, you still don't have   
   > >>> one." (EMPHASIS ADDED) Mr. Fries admitted that NG had been trolling   
   Will; there's no room to misunderstand that. It's up to him to explain what he   
   meant by that.   
   > >>>   
   > >>> DANCE: On the conceptual level, your logic here doesn't even make sense.   
   "Trolling" someone does not mean "trick someone into believing something" --   
   those are two different concepts. Someone can troll a person to try to get him   
   to change his    
   beliefs, or he may have other motives entirely.   
   > >>>   
   > >>> MMP: "Troll" (as slang) has many uses and meanings.  Tricking someone   
   into believe a falsehood, in order to laugh at their gullibility, is a common   
   form of internet trolling.   
   > >>>   
   > >>> GD: It's one way to troll; but it's not the only way. The most common   
   IME is to post untruths about someone, with the goal of dragging them into a   
   flamewar.   
   > >>>   
   > >>> MMP: "Troll" is derived from "trolling for fish."  You troll someone by   
   setting out bait.  If they swallow the bait, they have been trolled.  Trolling   
   can include convincing them of something that isn't true, goading them into a   
   flame war, or    
   getting them to videotape themselves singing a song in a bar while wearing   
   clown shoes and a Zorro mask.   
   > >>>   
   > >>> DANCE: Take NG's false accusation that I stole Ina Coolbrith's poem from   
   NG. NG was obviously trolling *me* with that lie, but she was certainly not   
   trying to trick *me* into thinking that I stole a poem from her.   
   > >>>   
   > >>> MMP: NancyGene posted Coobrith's poem to AAPC.  Not only did you not   
   post it here before her, but you haven't posted it here at all. All that you   
   posted was a spam link to your blaaaargh.   
   > >>>   
   > >>> GJD: Actually, I posted what I always post; an excerpt from the poem and   
   a link. But so what? What does that have to do with NG's false accusation that   
   I stole Ina Coolbrith's poem from her?   
   > >>>   
   > >>> MMP: Did you blaaargh it before she posted it?  Who knows?  I don't go   
   to your blaaargh, and doubt that it timestamps your posts.   
   > >>>   
   > >>> GD: Yes, I blogged Coolbrith's poem at 8:02 am. Since of course it's   
   timestamped, anyone who does go to the blog would know that. NG posted a   
   different version of the poem onto AAPC hours later. Once again; what does   
   that have to do with NG's    
   trolling?   
   > >>>   
   > >>> DANCE: So what you've produced is a non-sequitur, a fine example of   
   "Bandar-logic".   
   > >>>   
   > >>> MMP: Wrong.  I understand that there are many ways in which to "troll"   
   someone online.  You lack this understanding.   
   > >>> Why is no one surprised?   
   > >>>   
   > >>> GD: Since that's another non-sequitur, I'm not at all surprised you came   
   up with it.   
   > >>>   
   > >>> MMP: It's sad to think that two elderly men are either too senile or too   
   stupid to figure that out on their own.   
   > >>>   
   > >>> DANCE: Not everyone is into "Bandar-Logic", Harry, I'd add that I'm   
   sorry that makes you sad, but to be honest IDGAF.   
   > >>>   
   > >>> MMP: Now you're second-handing "Dunce Logic"?  Peter Keating could take   
   a course from you in Second-Handing 101.   
   > >>>   
   > >>> GD: No, now I'm repeating a term I've been using for years.   
   > >>>   
   > >>> MMP: We both know that I have been referring to your illogical arguments   
   long before you ever second-handed the "Bandar-Log" from Rudyard Kipling.   
   > >>   
   > >> It will be difficult to prove which term came first.   
   >   
   > That may be, but Rudyard is in much better shape today xxxxx xxxxx xxxxxxxxxx   
      
   Kevin Fries was right.   
      
   Troll much, NancyGene?   
      
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   Poetry and songs of Will Dockery:   
   https://www.reverbnation.com/willdockery   
      
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