From: cujo@petitmorte.net   
      
   mpsilvertone@yahoo-dot-com.no-spam.invalid (HarryLime) wrote in   
   news:FPWdnW-0H9RV3QP0nZ2dnZfqnPadnZ2d@giganews.com:   
      
   >> NancyGene wrote:   
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   >>> HarryLime wrote:   
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   >>>> Will-Dockery wrote:   
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   >>>>> HarryLime wrote:   
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   >>>>>> Will-Dockery wrote:   
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   >>>>>>> HarryLime wrote:   
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   >>>>>>>> Will Dockery wrote:   
   >>>>>>>> mpsilvertone@yahoo-dot-com.no-spam.invalid (HarryLime) posted:   
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   >>>>>>>>> Will Dockery wrote:   
   >>>>>>>>> mpsilvertone@yahoo-dot-com.no-spam.invalid (HarryLime) posted:   
   >>>>>>>>> Will Dockery wrote:   
   >>>>>>>>> HarryLime wrote:   
   >>>>>>>>> NancyGene wrote:   
   >>>>>>>>> David Dalton wrote:   
   >>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>> Here’s a poem by Dorothy Livesay   
   >>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>> -------   
   >>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>> How do you interpret that? I guess there are   
   >>>>>>>>> many complex mth roots of 1=2*n*pi, n=0,1,2...   
   >>>>>>>>> Also I guess the heart could be a cardioid. :-)   
   >>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>> In the above poem some multiple spaces will   
   >>>>>>>>> have been converted to a single space by my   
   >>>>>>>>> newsreader Hogwasher, which does not   
   >>>>>>>>> allow posting of multiple spaces (or spaces   
   >>>>>>>>> at the start of a line) or of multiple blank lines.   
   >>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>> Searching for actual mathematical equations regarding the root   
   >>>>>>>>> of one, might be over thinking it a bit.   
   >>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>> Its message is more elementary than that; she's applying   
   >>>>>>>>> mathematical formulas to sexual patterns:   
   >>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>> Much talk... no bed.  Or, MT>B.  B=0.   
   >>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>> Some talk... some bed.  Or, ST=B.  B=ST.   
   >>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>> No talk... all bed; and talk tomorrow.  Or, NT>>>>>>>> tomorrow.   
   >>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>> IOW: The speaker is recognizing patterns in her mate's sexual   
   >>>>>>>>> behavior which she sarcastically refers to as "the great   
   >>>>>>>>> game."   
   >>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>> Recognizing the patterns reduces sex to a "game" -- a   
   >>>>>>>>> predetermined set of movements that one goes through by rote.   
   >>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>> This, in turn, reduces the speaker's desire.   
   >>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>> She says that she meant to "hold your bones deep to the root   
   >>>>>>>>> of one."  This passage is full of sexual overtones (winking   
   >>>>>>>>> references to penile erection and deep penetration),   
   >>>>>>>>> reflecting the wild, uncontrolled passion she had felt.   
   >>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>> Unfortunately, her recognition of their behavioral "formulas"   
   >>>>>>>>> regarding sex has put her out of the mood.  B=0.   
   >>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>> It's clever, but emotionally flat.   
   >>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>> The poem is also not in the public domain in the US or Canada.   
   >>>>>>>>>  Ms. Livesay died in 1996, so that is not:  "General Rule   
   >>>>>>>>> (Post-2022): Death of author + 70 years."   
   >>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>> David Dalton, please do not commit copyright infringement.   
   >>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>> Perhaps David is unaware of the recent changes in Canadian   
   >>>>>>>>> Copyright law.   
   >>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>> perhaps you are also:   
   >>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>> As far as I know I mostly up to date, as George Dsnce and I   
   >>>>>>>>> have discovered the changing laws in Canada here several times   
   >>>>>>>>> over the years.   
   >>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>> "Before December 30, 2022, the general copyright term in   
   >>>>>>>>> Canada was the life of the author plus 50 years (ending on   
   >>>>>>>>> December 31 of that 50th year). This standard applied to most   
   >>>>>>>>> literary, dramatic, musical, and artistic works. Works already   
   >>>>>>>>> in the public domain as of December 31, 2021, remained free."   
   >>>>>>>>> (From George Dance's favorite source.)   
   >>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>> Ms. Livesay died in 1996.  David Dalton should be able to do   
   >>>>>>>>> the math.   
   >>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>> [...]   
   >>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>> I'd mentioned in the past that my earliest extant poem dates   
   >>>>>>>>> from around the time I was 16.   
   >>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>> I'm not far behind you, then   
   >>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>> I did recently find some old comic strips I drew back around   
   >>>>>>>>> 1969.   
   >>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>> You would have been 10/11 years old in 1969.   
   >>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>> Again, that's correct.   
   >>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>> I was drawing comix in 1969, not really writing poetry quite   
   >>>>>>>>> yet.   
   >>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>> I've drawn literally thousands of comic strips throughout my   
   >>>>>>>>> life.   
   >>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>> You should have left those   
   >>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>> I don't agree obviously.   
   >>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>> Was posting it twice   
   >>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>> Just catching up on a couple dozen posts from you and your   
   >>>>>>>> fellow trolls tonight, Harry.   
   >>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>> WTF   
   >>>>>>   
   >>>>>>   
   >>>>>> Says Harry the troll.   
   >>>>>>   
   >>>>>   
   >>>>>   
   >>>>> Is the "scribble zine" scan   
   >>>>>   
   >>>>   
   >>>>   
   >>>> Like I said.   
   >>>>   
   >>>> 😏   
   >>>   
   >>>   
   >>> Is your post-editing my statements supposed to prove that *I'm* a   
   >>> troll, Donkey?   
   >>>   
   >>> How stupid can one dumbass Donkey be?   
   >>   
   >>   
   >> A Will Donkey can be very, very stupid.  He is too stupid to know   
   >> that he's stupid.  Donkey is a living (sort of) example of the   
   >> Dunning-Kruger effect.   
   >   
   >   
   >   
   > While the Donkey certainly exhibits signs of the Dunning-Kruger   
   > effect, I suspect that these are actually symptoms of a deeper,   
   > underlying condition -- delusions of adequacy.  Whereas the   
   > Dunning-Kruger effect stems from stopping (or fixating) in the early   
   > stages of the learning curve, creating the false self-perception of   
   > mastery in a given field or topic; delusions of adequacy pertain to   
   > all elements of the individual's life regardless of whether any   
   > learning has successfully taken place.  An individual suffering from   
   > delusions of adequacy, develops an ego-centric stance of   
   > self-absorption to the point where they are unable to view the world   
   > existing outside of their immediate orbit as having an relevance.   
   > Having received a gold star on a crayon drawing they'd made in   
   > kindergarten makes them a great artist.  Having received a "Best Poet"   
   > award from a local listings paper that was handing out prizes to   
   > everyone who nominated themselves makes them a great poet, etc.  And   
   > anyone who points out their lack of ability/talent, or questions their   
   > mastery in any way, is part of a conspiracy of jealous "trolls" who   
   > are out to get them.   
   >   
   > While this sounds suspiciously similar to someone suffering from   
   > delusions of grandeur, with a persecution complex arising as a means   
   > of compensation; a person with delusions of grandeur is   
   > ordinary/adequate to begin with.  A person with delusions of adequacy,   
   > otoh, usually possesses an IQ of 70 or less, and exists at the lowest   
   > levels of society (bum camps, dilapidated sheds, etc.).  The person   
   > with delusions of adequacy also tends to elevate themselves to an even   
      
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