XPost: sci.physics   
   From: Dawn.Belle.Flood@gmail.com   
      
   On 12/22/2025 12:07 PM, Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn wrote:   
   > jojo wrote:   
   >> Dawn Flood wrote:   
   >>> On 12/21/2025 1:25 AM, The Starmaker wrote:   
   >>>> On Wed, 17 Dec 2025 14:44:12 -0800, The Starmaker   
   >>>>  wrote:   
   >>>>   
   >>>>> Einstein's God (a cosmic religion)   
   >   
   > Oversimplified.   
   >   
   >>>> is called Spinoza's God ,   
   >   
   > No.  Instead, Einstein subscribed to an idea of "God" the same as the Dutch   
   > philosopher, Baruch Spinoza (who was excommunicated by the Jewish community   
   > of Amsterdam because of that).   
   >   
   >>>>> the God Einstein believes in.   
   >   
   > "Belief" should not be understood in terms of "religion" here.  Einstein was   
   > an atheist (by his own account), an agnostic at best (also by his own   
   > account).  He often referred to that "god" tongue-in-cheek as "der Alte"   
   > (German for "the Old Man").  That is not what a true believer in a deity   
   > would do.   
   >   
   >>>> No Free Will   , human free will is an illusion; our choices are   
   >>>>> determined by natural causes.   
   >   
   > That is only part of what Spinoza's idea of "God" is all about.  It is   
   > mainly about that "God" would be manifested in all things (without having   
   > created the Universe; and not all attributes of "God" would be manifested);   
   > but they would not communicate with humans, would not consider them or Earth   
   > special, would not have a plan for them or any individual, nor would they   
   > exert any subsequent influence on the Universe.   
   >   
   > It is an ongoing discussion whether that makes Spinoza an atheist; but if   
   > so, then Einstein, who by his own account subscribed to that worldview, was   
   > an atheist, too.   
   >   
   >    
   >    
   >   
   >>> Professor Einstein died 75 years ago; now, if he was alive today,   
   >>> he may have thought differently about some things?!  Agreed??   
   >>   
   >> he wouldnt be able to get the patent clerk job because   
   >> requirements have probably become too much for him.   
   >   
   > *facepalm*   
   >   
   > Under which rock does one have to live to reduce Einstein to that job?   
   >   
   > Albert Einstein (1879-1955) only worked at the Swiss Patent Office for 7   
   > years (!) of his life (1902-1909), and from at least 1905 on his friend   
   > Michele Besso did most of his work there (by Einstein's design, and Besso   
   > happily did it) as that was only a fallback as he could not earn enough   
   > money as a private teacher to support his wife and newborn son.  As Besso   
   > was doing his work *and* Einstein's, Einstein had more time to develop his   
   > theories, which they talked about after work (especially Besso's support in   
   > developing special relativity is well-documented by Einstein in a "thank   
   > you" note at the end of the first paper on that).   
   >   
   > Most of his life, from 1908 on, Einstein worked as a university professor of   
   > Physics and as a theoretical physicist.   
   >   
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   >   
   > F'up2 sci.physics   
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   Cool!  This goes to show you that getting a job as an academician is   
   really, really hard, even if one is a genius!  I am, of course,   
   excluding "sponsorship," which can be for various (blush) reasons.   
      
   Dawn   
      
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