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   From: Dawn.Belle.Flood@gmail.com   
      
   On 2/6/2026 4:35 PM, chine.bleu wrote:   
   > Samuel Spade wrote:   
   >> The Church had only a brief window to edit the gospels and Acts to fit   
   >   
   > Maybe 30 years. When Jesus's brother was stoned. James was mentionned by   
   > Josephus but you find out how that was faked.   
   >   
   >> Ditto for the awkward insertion of the blurb about Jesus in Josephus's   
   >> work, but "they" did get away with that one for a very long time.   
   >   
   > Do not worry what scholars discuss.   
   >   
   > The first and most extensive reference to Jesus in the Antiquities,   
   > found in Book 18, states that Jesus was the Messiah and a wise teacher   
   > who was crucified by Pontius Pilate. It is commonly called the   
   > Testimonium Flavianum. The passage exists in all extant manuscripts of   
   > Antiquities. Since the late 20th century, the general consensus has held   
   > that the Testimonium is partially authentic in that an authentic nucleus   
   > referencing the life of Jesus was original to the Greek text. However,   
   > the exact nature and extent of the original statement remains unclear.   
   > Many modern scholars believe that an Arabic version that was discovered   
   > by Shlomo Pines reflects the state of Josephus' original text.   
   >   
      
   Lots of discussion about this here:   
      
   https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Josephus_on_Jesus#The_Testimonium_Flavianum   
      
   A minority viewpoint is that it is a complete forgery.  In any case, it   
   really adds nothing to the narrative -- Jesus of Nazareth existed as a   
   Jewish apocalyptic preacher who Pilate executed.   
      
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