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   From: buffhunter@my-deja.com   
      
   In article <8746b8b7-e0d5-469b-b2d3-   
   2d7d575afe99@k11g2000vbe.googlegroups.com>, jrs9@columbia.edu says...   
   > On Jan 30, 1:41 pm, headbanger11...@webtv.net (Chris ®) wrote:   
   > > >The characters are interesting and of   
   > > >course it is amusing to see our beloved   
   > > >captain as a pre-teen hanging around with   
   > > >his gangster relatives.   
   > >   
   > > Yeah, openly homosexual gangster relatives. Brings a whole new meaning   
   > > to "gay mafia". Group marriage, opium dens, Caprica seems to be a   
   > > libertarian utopia.   
   > >   
   > > -   
   > > "Sometimes, there just aren't enough rocks" - Forrest Gump   
   >    
   >    
   > Hence I guess why the monotheistic Cylons hate the humans so much.   
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   Nope, because the humanoid Cylons, ie the flesh and blood ones, they    
   did exactly the same thing remember? If anything they thought the    
   humans were too stuffy.    
      
   Besides, there are human cultures today on Earth that are    
   monotheistic and have plural marriages. The Mormon Christians and the    
   Muslims the most famous I think. Of course the difference is that    
   those plural marriages are strictly paternalistic, that is the guy    
   can have a lot of wives but God help the woman if she even looks at    
   another man. In "Caprica" it is much more egalitarian. The woman and    
   presumably the men could have multiple wives and husbands both but as    
   we see with the Greystones and Adamas one husband and one wife is the    
   norm as well. It probably has something to do with which Colony you    
   are from. At anyrate, Some of this does harken FORWARD (remember    
   "Caprica" and BSG takes place 150,000 years in our PAST) to the    
   ancient Greeks and Romans. Remember, we are all descendents of Athena    
   and Karl Agathon through Hera and their meme have traveled through    
   our DNA all this time which is why our culture and history is so much    
   like the 12 Colonies of Kobol. Some of our ideas aren't original. Bob    
   Dylan's "All Along the Watchtower" being one of those things that    
   traveled with us for those thousands of years until being coughed    
   back up in the 1960's LOL! If saw the great HBO series "Rome" of a    
   few years ago or the new "Spartacus: Blood and Sand" now on Starz and    
   you see how different the sexual morality of Rome was from ours (I    
   wish they would cut back on all the blood though. Keep the naked    
   girls though LOL!). You see why in "Caprica" along with all the    
   familiar "Greek" gods and goddesses.       
   >   
   > What I wonder is how the older race of cylons will fit into this   
   > history.  Will we find out that Cavil is behind the STO?   
   ---   
   You mean the ones the Final Five belong to? They are still making    
   their way to the 12 Colonies from the original Earth in their    
   sublight space ship. Cavil isn't "born" yet. Cavil won't be born    
   until AFTER the original Cylon-Colonial war so he doesn't fit into    
   what we seeing on "Caprica" now at all.   
   >    
   > Or that the Caprican cycle is replicating previous history; the revolt is   
   home-   
   > grown as is the revolt, the metal cylons leave the colonies, go   
   > elsewhere, start experimenting on their own on humanizing their   
   > appearances [Razor] and then meet up with the older cylon race who   
   > introduce them to their heritage..   
   ---   
   Not quite. Here is the history, not only for you but for those who    
   don't know:   
      
   The Cylons of the 12 Colonies of Kobol, in which the copy of Zoe    
   Greystone is the very first, revolted against the humans of the 12    
   Colonies. Then as that war was raging the Final Five Cylons from the    
   original Earth-Samuel Anders, Tory Foster, Ellen Tigh, Saul Tigh, and    
   Galen Tyrol-came and as a deal to the Colonial Cylons to stop their    
   war on humanity they agreed to help them make them biological beings    
   like they were which the Colonial Cylons were trying to do (that is    
   what we saw in "Razor") but failing. The result were seven Cylons of    
   Battlestar Galactica we met-the John Cavils (1), Leoben Conoys (2),    
   D'Anna Biers (3), Simon O'Neills (4), Aaron Dorals (5), The Sixes    
   (6), and Sharon Valeriis (8)-from the cooperation between the    
   Colonial Cylons and the Final Five.    
      
   Then one of the Seven new humanoid living Cylons, Cavil, destroyed an    
   eighth model (NOT the No.8 model, the Sharons but the one of the    
   original 8 different types of humanoid flesh and blood models) that    
   we never met the Daniels (7), out of jealousy and then turned against    
   his own "parents" the original Final Five, killing them and then    
   blocking their memories of what they really were when they    
   resurrected making them think they were human, and manipulated them    
   and put them into the human's worlds. He also turned his fellow flesh    
   and blood Cylons-his sisters and brothers effectively-against    
   humanity (and keeping from them who the Final Five were) and got them    
   to launch the second attack on the colonies we see 58 years after    
   what we are seeing in "Caprica" now. They also built new mechanical    
   Cylons which we also saw in BSG preventing them from being self    
   aware, essentially enslaving them as the original "Zoe" Cylons were.    
   However, the original Zoe Cylons, for lack of a better term still    
   existed and we saw them in the Cylon home world around that black    
   hole in the last few episodes of BSG.    
      
   It will be interesting to see if the original Zoe Cylon will survive    
   the first Cylon Colonial war.     
   -    
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    a fellow that's in the right and keeps on acomin'."   
      
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