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   From: buffhunter@my-deja.com   
      
   In article <4f6b071d-6366-49c2-9de3-   
   c7cc9b6e6b54@p24g2000yqm.googlegroups.com>, jrs9@columbia.edu says...   
   > > > On the other hand, I could see that who we know now as the Five could   
   > > > have appeared different in their previous lives and allow for the fact   
   > > > that they were portrayed by the same actors a bit of license so that   
   > > > we could recognize them.  Cavil then scouts out five humans, remodels   
   > > > the Five to look like them and substitutes them two weeks out of the   
   > > > attack?  You'd think if the Five had that much control over biological   
   > > > engineering they'd have themselves all look younger and prettier.   
   > >   
   > > ----   
   > > None of that happened sorry. The story that was explained to us in   
   > > "No Exit" and "The Plan" is it. As I said Cavil and who we will come   
   > > to know as the Final Five has absolutely nothing to do with what we   
   > > seeing in "Caprica" now. The Final Five are still heading for the 12   
   > > Colonies as Zoe has become the first Colonial Cylon.   
   >   
   > Perhaps.  We know the writers made up a good chunk of the arc as they   
   > went along and then had to retrofit everything that came before into   
   > the new arc.  Maybe if they had thought it all out ahead of time they   
   > would have come up with a younger actor to play Cavil.  So changes in   
   > the story line are still possible until we hear from RDM and company   
   > that they have made a final lockdown of the BSG universe narrative.   
   > Have they?   
   ----   
   No, but you don't need to. I think having a younger Cavil is your   
   wish as to how the story line should had went,just like mine was to   
   have a updated "Galactica 1980": "Galactica 2010" The Colonials and   
   the good Cylons in addition the Sharon Agathon the other Sharons, the   
   Leobens, Sixes and the last remaining D'anna Biers along with an   
   alive, reformed and redeemed Sharon Valerii (even if Athena and Helo   
   have a real hard time putting aside what she did) who sided with us   
   struggle to get second Earth's (that is our Earth) technology up to   
   speed. Gaius Baltar is doing his best including trying to adapt Viper   
   and DRADIS and hyperdrive technology to Earth tech (but some hard   
   headed Earth scientists insist his tech is impossible because his   
   "theories" can't be experimentally reproduced and go against known-to   
   Earth's scientist-physics). There are some stranded enemy Cylons on   
   Earth including dozens of Cavils, Dorals and Simons try to wreck the   
   plans of the Colonials. They too struggle with Earth's somewhat   
   backward technology to recreate Resurrection and jump Technology and   
   get into contact with the rest of the Cavil Cylons on the other side   
   of the Galaxy (where the Galactica did its last jump from, breaking   
   her back in arriving) who still don't know where second Earth is.   
   Incidentally, there are no Super Scouts in sight and the few Cylon   
   Centurions that are still around (most destroyed each other; some   
   fighting for the humans some fighting for Cavil) aren't disabled by   
   microwaves, including from microwave ovens. ;-)   
      
   But alas RDM chose not to go that route LOL! Instead, he decided to   
   make the Colonials partly the direct ancestors of us with us being   
   part Cylon-and I'm fine with it of course, it his story. I believe in   
   letting the story teller tell the story as he/shes fit as opposed to   
   calling him/her an idiot over a plot point some in the audience don't   
   like (if I don't like it I quitely tune out). That is the story he   
   wanted to tell, just like the one with humans and Cylons falling out   
   again in a cycle as if that is the natural thing to do to keep   
   repeating that mistake. No Grand Plan need apply, just human-and   
   machine-foolishness. In the Colonies version it all started with a   
   grieving father trying to have his daughter back is how the Cylons   
   gained consciousness and resented being slaves and they responded in   
   the same childish way Ben did when he blew up the 	Maglev train to   
   make his point except on a much grander scale. No Cavil needed to   
   orchestrate this first time around.   
   >   
   > But I guess my final question then would be: in "The Plan" just who is   
   > Cavil gloating over sitting in their bathtubs two weeks before the   
   > second cylon war?   
   ----   
   The spare bodies for the Final Five, just like Ellen had a body her   
   consciousness could go to when she died after taking poison on New   
   Caprica the others did too, have extra bodies that is like any other   
   Cylon. There just wasn't other copies alive at the time so there was   
   only one Tyrol, one Anders, one Tory, One Ellen and one Tigh.   
      
   Two weeks before the attack Anders was a star Pyramid player with the   
   Caprica Buccaneers; Colonel Tigh was getting ready to retire with his   
   friend of 20 years Commander Adama (he was in the Colonies at least   
   that long likely a lot longer) and be with his wife Ellen full time   
   who was planted in the Colonies for 30 years; Tyrol was getting ready   
   to help put Galactica into retirement and then perhaps either leave   
   the service or get a new assignment with his (open) secret girlfriend   
   Sharon Valerii (as far as he knew) and Tory Foster was a low level   
   Federalist Party precinct captain and Pollster until she was blown   
   off the road by the outer reaches of a nuclear blast. She was   
   probably the last to be placed into Colonies and she was easier to   
   infiltrate since apparently in the Fleet no one knew her before the   
   attack.   
      
   As for it supposed to be a mistake to make Cavil so old I don't think   
   it was. Wether or not RDM had a specific step by step plan for the   
   series or just a broad general outline to be filled in as they went   
   there didn't have to be some grand scheme to involve the Final Five   
   in Caprica's own mistake. To say so would assume that he must had   
   wanted it that way later and there is no evidence to say that he did.   
   The point of it happened before it will happen again seems to be that   
   machine and man would have a falling out, outside interference is not   
   needed, at least not the first time.   
   --   
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    a fellow that's in the right and keeps on acomin'."   
      
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