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   >On 1 Apr, 14:04, "Obveeus"  wrote:   
   >>  wrote in message   
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   >> news:2352a834-d2c4-4078-b054-ac0877aed2ea@r18g2000yqd.googlegroups.com...   
   >> On 25 Mar, 19:52, "Obveeus"  wrote:   
   >>   
   >> >> Except that Clarice isn't the one that arraigned that bombing (It was   
   >> >> arrainged by James Marsters's character and the bomb was apparently   
   >> >> built   
   >> >> by   
   >> >> Lacy's 'boyfriend').   
   >>   
   >> >I don't know that that's been specified at all - we don't know that   
   >> >Barnabus and Clarice weren't still working together at that point.   
   >>   
   >> They don't appear to have ever really been 'working together', but rather   
   >> competing for turf within the same named system 'STO'. As the STO has   
   >> been   
   >> explained, there seem to be lots of 'cells' all doing their own thing. It   
   >> could even be that Zoe was trying to reach Gemenon because she was able   
   >> to   
   >> contact a 'cell' there that wasn't bent on blowing stuff up or on   
   >> reaching   
   >> enlightenment, but simply one that wanted to get rid of her Dad's virtual   
   >> reality world.   
   >   
   >"End of the Line" seems to give some detail to the organisation   
   >structure - Clarice was going to Gemenon with the specific intention   
   >of getting authorisation to "terminate" Barnabus, indicating that the   
   >Caprica cells are subservient to a central hierarchy.   
      
   I interpretted things a bit differently than you did.  I saw Clarice going   
   to Gemenon to get support from that 'cell' in her attempt to be the in   
   control of the 'cell'(s) on Caprica.  It looks like one big power struggle   
   with many cells all working for their own adgenda.   
      
   >Her attack on   
   >Barnabus at the beginning was expressed as an effort to get him back   
   >in line - it sounds very much as though he's engineered a division in   
   >what was at one time a single STO cell operating on Caprica, and has   
   >become a rogue element in the eyes of the remaining STO members.   
      
   Well, Barnabus is certainly a rogue in Clarice's view.  However, other STO   
   people don't all see it that way or Clarice would not have been whining   
   earlier about having to let him blow stuff up because someone higher up   
   wanted it that way.   
      
   >His   
   >"Welcome to *my* cell" to Lacey seemed to be a way for the script to   
   >formalise his breakaway from the STO leadership (represented on   
   >Caprica by Clarice). I don't think he was previously part of a   
   >separate cell that organised and carried out bombings on its own.   
      
   I see no real indication that Clarice is in charge rather than that there   
   are simply multiple cells all in a power struggle.  Whether Barabus was   
   originally part of Clarice's cell or not is immaterial to that overall flux   
   in all entities operating under the STO nametag.   
      
   >> >Clarice has never expressed disapproval or surprise at the bombing, or   
   >> >(in her STO guise) any sign that she regretted Zoe's death beyond   
   >> >losing the ability to create more avatars.   
   >>   
   >> Clarice has expressed general disdain for the bombings as a whole,   
   >   
   >Only in public, I think, not in her dealings with other STO members,   
   >or with Lacey.   
      
   She made some earlier comment to someone (one of her 'husbands' maybe) other   
   than Lacy about having to let Barnabus blow things up because it was what   
   suited someone.  It was in one of the episodes where there was a 'mystery   
   man' behind a latice sceen.   
      
   >> > We also know she was in   
   >> >contact with and apparently recruited Ben - we have no idea if   
   >> >Barnabus ever met him.   
   >>   
   >> The bomb came from Barnabus through Lacy's 'boyfriend'.   
   >   
   >I'll take your word for it, but I don't recall any reference to that   
   >effect - a terrorist cell is going to have more than one person   
   >capable of making bombs.   
      
   Barnabus asked the guy (Lacy's boyfriend) what she would do if she ever   
   found out that he was the one that made the train bomb.   
      
   > Clarice and Barnabus appear to be part of the   
   >same "official" cell - if Barnabus' breakaway is as recent as it   
   >seems, having Keon as the bomb-maker resolves nothing. As a loyal STO,   
   >he'd build the bomb for whoever gave the order.   
      
   True, the show has not revealed specifically who gave the order for that   
   particular bomb or what exactly was the reason/target for that bomb.   
      
   >>  Yes, we still   
   >> haven't been told directly if Clarice knew about the train bombing before   
   >> it   
   >> occurred, but given how desperately she wants the avatar tech it seems   
   >> unlikely that she would have ordered Zoe killed before getting it.   
      
   >Zoe didn't trust Clarice, and early on the avatar said something about   
   >Zoe becoming suspicious of her intent and probing questions about the   
   >avatar before the attack - but once again this assumes that the   
   >organiser of the bombings had selected Zoe as a specific target. The   
   >only reason for assuming that appears to be that  she got on the train   
   >as part of the STO cell - but then Lacey was also intended to be on   
   >the train as part of that group, and there's no suggestion anyone's   
   >been targeting her particularly.   
      
   That Zoe did not trust Clarice is not proof, IMO, that Clarice was the one   
   targettting Zoe.  In fact, I don't think we can even claim for sure that Zoe   
   was the target.   
      
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